This year, amidst reports of cooling temperature, the climate change debate had apparently cooled as well. Then the Waxman/Markey Bill, pushing cap and trade as the solution for global warming, was introduced. Now, with President Obama addressing the UN and calling for extreme measures to prevent catastrophic consequences, suddenly itâ€™s front page news again.
On the same day that Obama was presenting his dramatic message to the UN, the New York Times published an article acknowledging â€œglobal temperatures have been relatively stable for a decade and may drop in the next few years.â€ Clearly the debate is not as one-sided as our leadership wants us to believe.
While Obama and his â€œalarmistâ€ science czar, John Holdren, are moving forward, the polls repeatedly show lack of public and scientific support. Aggressive climate change measures rank last on almost any list of current crises; people do not think the issue is one on which our government should be focused.
I predict climate change will be Obamaâ€™s Iraq.
Bush, it is widely accepted, went into Iraq based on his advisorsâ€™ belief that weapons of mass destruction awaited them. There seemed to be consensus. Even Democrats voted in favor of war. Once there, no WMDs were found. But Bush did not pull out. Instead we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of lives with minimal results-â€”all based on bad advice. The public did not like the war. They did not want it. He had great plans for overthrowing Saddam, but the Iraqi military was no where near ready to take overâ€”-leaving us foundering between being occupiers and advisors. The failure in Iraq defined the Bush presidency, turning even his own party against him.
Obamaâ€™s advisors are telling him that climate change legislation is imperative. They believe there is consensus. But the temperatures have stabilized and dropped-â€”despite increased CO2 emissions. Even the NYT admits that the declining temperatures will make legislation a hard sell to the public. But Obama is not backing down. He is willing to kill off the American economy based on bad advice. The people do not want it now and they will hate it later. Weâ€™ll spend billions of borrowed dollars for minimal results. He is focused on overthrowing hydrocarbons, but renewable energy is many years away from being ready to take overâ€”-leaving us floundering between the light and freezing in the dark. The folly of climate change legislation will define his presidency and turn citizens against him.
Read the rest of this piece at Citizen’s Alliance for Responsible Energy.
I agree with the overall tone and point of this story. But there is something that irks me. The mantra that no WMD’s were found in Iraq. Now it’s true their nuclear weapons program was not as far along as ol’ Saddam boasted it was, but there were a lot of things found that were considered WMD’s, exept that was not widely reported because the template used by the media to define WMD was nuclear weapons. It’s not my pet peeve, but it certainly is a peeve of mine.
I don’t know, but take a look at this and tell me it was still a waste of time to find this stuff.
Truly and writing as an environmental scientist climate change and the climate change mantra is nothing more than hysterical spin. Unfortunately so many people are being led to believe all the irrational claims regarding climate change. The climate is doing as it has done since this planet was formed 15billion years ago and that is reacting to natural and geophysical phenomena which at times become manifest by reason of extrenme weather patterns. Moreover the so called anthropogenic output of carbon dioxide is nonsence – water vapour ha sthe same greenhouse gas effect as carbon dioxide yet nobody is clamouring to reduce water vapour in the atmosphere.
Climate change is the greatest scam of the century aided and abetted by the inter governmental panel and climate change and the likes of Al Gore to drip feed all this climate change myth to a niave public
Actually, water vapor has far more impact on the “greenhouse effect” than CO2. Carbon Dioxide is a weak agent as a greenhouse gas. Water vapor accounts for 95% of the insulating effect. Amazingly (or not, if you believe in a creator), water vapor as a greenhouse gas is self-correcting. The atmosphere can only hold so much water before it rains.
I’m sorry, Did you say that you are an environmental scientist? Because, even though I tend to agree with what you’re saying there are a couple of things that suggest to me that you are not an environmental scientist. First is the point that Dan McGrath is making that water vapor (or vapour, as the Brits call it) is THE greenhouse gas and accounts for 95% of the greenhouse effect. Which is not the same effect, it is a MUCH greater effect. The other is you said the climate is doing what it’s done since the planet was formed 15 billion years ago. Um…. the Earth was formed approximately 4.55 billion years ago. The Universe is estimated to be between 15-20 billion years old.
So even though I agree with what your point is, I can’t ignore your factual errors. I have to call fraud.
You’re all missing the point. It’s not about fixing climate change, just like it’s not about fixing health care. It’s about consolidation of POWER, socialist power. (let me correct myself, MARXIST power). Energy and health care account for a large part of the US economy, which means the money, which means the power and control. Does anyone with a modicum of rational thought really think Obama and his minions care about the health of all those poor souls without health insurance or that they care a wit about the truth on climate and nature? Please. It all comes down to a back door means to install the Marxist utopia they pine for and, the key point, which they control.. Afterall , they are so much smarter than us common folk. And unless the dialog is changed to expose the power grab for what it is, we’re done. (Actually in my humble opinion we’re already done as the freak show (Congress) has the juice now to make irreversible changes…and 2010 elections won’t matter …too late).
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery”….Winston Churchill
I agree with everything you say.. except your first sentance. I think that’s a little presumptive.
I disagree – I think the first sentence means WE ARE NOT GETTING THE BIG PICTURE; not so much as we’re missing the point. But yes Larry G has everything on the mark.
Just my thoughts.
Wrong- it’s all about Fascist power. There’s a BIG difference.
I don’t get it.
You are right, the whole GW bull is about fascists trying to gain power..
Agree. Power corrupts as we are seeing now.
What’s not to get? It isn’t that complicated. The powers that be are fascist (fact). And they are suing you rubes by saying “Oh, look over there, the Socialists and Communists are coming!!” All the while they work their evil, without much notice because they own the media and have you brainwashed.
Nope I still do’t get it.
I’m being sued?
I think I still have a little soap on my cerebral cortex!
What flavor of Kool Aid are you drinking? Let me know, I don’t want any when it get’s warm in, Florida?
Used, not sued. Typo of course. Your responses are childish and unsubstantial as usual. And Neil perhaps you “don’t get it” because you don’t want to. It’s called denial, or stupidity.
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You got to learn to laugh a little. I know it was a typo. I got a kick out of it. “I’m being sued?” C’mon, lighten up Francis, that was funny.
I also did a little, not a lot of, research into the new world order conspiracy theory. It seems that the internatoinal cabal of billionairs have been working towards this since the early 20th century with the formation of the CFR by the Rhoads groups and JP Morgan banking interests in 1921. And other groups funded by the Carnagies and the Rockefellers. I have some questions. Why didn’t they take over the world back then? They certainly seem to have had the power and influance that they would have needed. What were they waiting for? And, why now? So, is global warming something that they are using to take over the world, or is that something unrelated?
Now if you can answer these questions sufficiantly, I may give some credence to your statements. If you can’t answer these questions, I would say you have some serious flaws in your theory.
Was that adult and substantial enough for you?
You see, our “globalists” are the behind the scenes rulers, who order our politicians about (via legal bribery), are faced with problems that they had viewed from a position or mindset of intended US world domination or empire. However, the US is fast losing and using up energy needed for continued manufacturing growth and production, and the world around us is developing rapidly and is demanding more and more of the existing energy resources for themselves. Rather than taking the long expensive,and politically unpopular road of developing nuclear power like France, and Solar and electric power like China, or serious wind energy, these lazy, slipshod, scamming bums decided to sell us off and our citizens out. Why? It was our turn to be victimized and we had a lot to take, more than those third world countries they historically have econmically raped.
They used the above described methods to suck the US working class dry and sell of US assets to nations like China that is close to huge oil resources. They took the dollars they scammed from the middle class and turned them into Euros and Yuan and other viable currencies..and will increasingly do so as the US dollar declines in real worth.
All the while, they will use our state of the art military to keep foreigners from rising up against us while they force other nations to finance our decline…and their own conversion into global rulers.
The overall picture is to scam and vacuum up as much US wealth as possible while they use our military to install themselves as a new global elite who use military and economic force to dominate the world from the comfort of Washington or New York, with the US military covering their backs.
Of course, our authoritarian state and increased police presence was created to keep the US masses underfoot while their degradation into serfs continues.
I really don’t think that even most of our financiers, pundits and politicians, or certainly most of our citizens can see into the entire picture or the generalized structure of this new paradigm very far, and many do not want to admit that they are party to their own demise…sheep being led to the slaughter by paid Judas goats working for the real rulers (people at the Fed and elsewhere in the media etc.).
What we all must realize in order to adapt or even complain is that the old ways of doing things have been abandoned. Rulers are mainly interested in bring about an orderly US decline for the US middle class…and so wealth can be applied (by them) where they want it…globally. Those people do not love us or feel benevolence toward us no matter how much we might wish it.
They are oligarchs of the same thread that ruled the world throughout much of history…arrogant, smug, too lazy to work for the common good, but willing to expend tremendous resources to oppress their neighbors and the people of the world in order to maintain their own status quo of wealth and power. When this occurs,the wealthy do not increase their wealth by creating more wealth, but by causing a decline of the wealth of everyone around them.
Yes, we have some distance yet to travel before we reach bottom,and even then, I wonder how many people will ever come close to understanding what really happened to them. The wealthy are very, very good at weaving propaganda (e.g. Socialism is the enemy!) and explaining historical and even current events in a positive light that suits their needs, because they own the media.
I’m sorry. I’m not buying it. It sounds delusional, and paranoid to me. Think about it man. If they were doing what you and others claim they are doing, why haven’t they done it already? What are they waiting for? Do they not have sufficient power and influence to implement their designs? What’s the hold up?
It just doesn’t pass the smell test.
I know that you believe that you’re trying to help people by warning them about this. And you are angry at me because I disagree with your assesment.
It’s like the fable of the boy who cried wolf in a way. The boy was lonely out there alone tending the flock of sheep and thought he could get some attention by crying wolf. After several times crying wolf and the townsfolk rushing out to kill the wolf, found no wolf, they became wise to the boy. But the next time the boy cried wolf, there actually was a wolf, but no one came, and the wolf ate the flock of sheep, yada yada yada.
Except that you (the boy) think you actually see a wolf, but it’s just a shadow and your imagination get’s the better of you. You cry wolf and the townsfolk (people like me) come out and say “that’s not a wolf, it’s just a shadow.” Yet you insist that it was a wolf, and try to find evidence of a wolf, because you’ve convinced yourself that it was there. And you will not listen to anyone that tells you that you are wrong.
It’s a paranoid delusion.
You might think that I know nothing about these things, but you would be wrong. I have a brother that suffers from paranoid delusions, with visual and auditory hallucinations. He used to see people in the wall and the Devil down the back staicase when we were youngsters. When we got older he would hear voices in his head, and thinks people from the radio and tv are talking about him.
I’m not saying you suffer from the same thing as my brother, but I do believe it is a milder manifestation of something similar.
Now I don’t say this to demean, or insult you in any way, but I do think you should seek some help for it.
Paranoid is the word. Enough said.
Yeah Paul I don’t know why I even bother. But these conspiracy theories lack any amount of critical thinking, it is just astounding.
Hmm. Most people dont care whats going on around them, they figure as long as theres a roof over there head and food in there bellies and a little left over money to indulge in a few things there doing good. Well, im a bit worried. Ive heard ppl say that if we ( being the U.S.A. ) become part of a global government, we would loose our very rights to be “free” I agree that this is all a way to gain control of ppl, the promise of a better future for everyone sounds really inviting though. BUT what if this just brings us down faster ( what if it dosent ? )Are we prepared to hand over the very thing that millions of lives have faught for, or that millions more try to get by immagrating or even sneaking into our borders for. Even now we dont have as much freedom as we once had. And its very sad. Because the economy had depleted so badly ppl are willing to do almost anything to make things better for them, before they try to make things better by involving themselves more into “us” there going to turn to someone and say ” fix us ” I feel like…someones trying to hand over the U.S.A. to something that they think can ” fix” us. But its like taking a car to a dealership, they’ll take a look at it, tell you they can fix it, work out a ridiculous plan with you that you think sounds great, they’ll start to fix it then they’ll keep finding things wrong and make you pay more and more to do it. And once you cant pay them for it, they take it away from you for payment and try to sell it to someone else. If we are still the land of the free, I think we should prove it. Stop trying to really on someone else to fix us and atleast try to do it ourselves. My father says that it could go both ways though, and in some areas i agree with him. He says that if were are to survive were going to have to become apart of something bigger. someones ( bieng anouther country) always coming up with better ways of doing things, cheaper faster, stronger….just plan better. I believe that if we could somehow combine all of our strengths then YES but only if were allowed to keep our freedoms at the same time. But the government is going to do anything they can to gain power, agreed that the wealthy didnt get that way by making themselves more money but by making everyone else poorer, the government does this by taxing anything and everything. They did it because we let them. Since when did we all agree to help put a tax on our air ” the clean air act ” so now im even paying for every breath i take. I really dont think the U.S.A. knows what it means to be free anymore. The thing that really worries me and i really do believe that this will happen….once ppl find out that they really dont have freedom thier going to revolt, the great U.S.A. is going to have another civil war but it wont stop it will continue and the conflicts will just go global and we will literally have a global war, and someone is going to panic and push that little red button that says ” big boom ” on it. I dont know about you but i dont want to hand over my life nor my childrens lives to someone thats not going to care if we live or die. But since everything voted for or not is allready planned out and going to happen weather we want it to or not we wont have a choice. And thats why the ppl who still want thier freedom, who still believe that we can change without ” conforming completly ” are going to revolt. I remeber this really awesome saying that I’ve heard eversince i was a little girl by my mom ” honey, just try it if you dont like it dont eat it ” I think the government should try this before they sign something that makes it so we cant back out of it.
And your conspriacy theory isn’t possibly delusional and/or paranoid? Of course it is- it is almost exactly the same kind of theory as mine, and you think it’s impossible? How is mine more impossible than yours, when basically they’re the same (except for who we ultimately blame)? You make no sense when you say that, but logical thinking isn’t a stronge area for you guys. If you did think rationally my theory holds up better than yours does. But I’m not going to argue it- you never bend or truly consider anything other than your own biased world-view. And to say I may suffer from a “mild” form of mental illness is hilarious- since if that is true the same one afflicts you too. You are so black and white, and egocentric in your thinking that you don’t even realize that. That is amazing to me.
What are you talking about? What theory? I can back up everything I say with facts. Fact. Al Gore, the IPCC, James Hansen, and others said 10 years ago that the planet is warming because of anthropogenic production of CO2. Fact. Even though the the amount of atmospheric CO2 has continued to rise, the temperatures have not. Disproving them is not a conspiracy theory.
If you’re meaning the Club Of Rome’s role in all of this, that is something that can be backed up with fact as well. It’s in a book called Limits To Growth. And they quote from the book:
â€œThe common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
That is not a conspiracy theory. That is the Club of Rome, in their own words. Not someone else saying that’s what they said. I didn’t get that from Alex Jones.
If you believe in a conspiracy, VOTE them OUT! I’m tired of hearing Monday morning quarterbacks that never voted tell me what to think! The voting booth is where you belong! For once in our lifetime, think and DO IT! It is your right, use it! Don’t tell me you were to busy in 2010! It is one day. Wake up!! As Neil I believe reinforces, we are our own worst enemy if we do not vote our convictions. Just do it!
I don’t know if there is a conspiracy, but at least I can add and take aways.
Wikipedia.org says “Volcanic activity releases about 130 to 230 teragrams (145 million to 255 million short tons) of carbon dioxide each year”
this simply means that difference between most active and least active year is 100 000 000 000 000 grams of CO2.
According to Wikipedia.org human civilisation can add only 28 000 000 000 000 grams of CO2.
This means that human made CO2 is less then 1/3 of the difference between most active and less active year of volcanic CO2 production.
Lets say we believe that CO2 is increasing global temperatures. Even if we shut down all cars, planes, factories etc today it won’t help much, one more volcanic eruption and we are all dead.
Volcanoes are adding their CO2 share for billions of years, and carbon based life is still here and kicking well.
Neil, be honest for once. Your conspiracy theory is that Liberals are going to take-over the country one way or another and make the US become truly Socialist (that would be awesome!) or Communist (no chance in he– would that EVER happen, only in your paranoid dreams). And please don’t deny it, it will just make you appear more dishonest. But either way there are plenty of other unbalanced people on this site who have swallowed the MSM propaganda and believe that- they have come right out and posted it on this site and others.
The funny thing is (not really funny, ODD funny) my conspriacy theory has already happend and continues to proceed slowly everyday, year and decade. Once they’ve gained something they have gone the next step and the next- BECAUSE WE (mostly you though) HAVE LET THEM, AND ENCOURAGE THEM EVERY DAY !!! You are on their side and you are proud of it, because you don’t even recognize it for what it is!! Amazing!
And Pauly Boy, they don’t have to “spring the trap” because they already did- and you missed it! It got sprung a long time ago (mainly via Reagan) and it gets sprung almost every day since then. It’s the old frog in boiling water deal. Oh, I know, I’M the crazy one. Then again maybe you are.
Why do I even bother?
Yes, “Robbie Boy,” I’m crazy. I believe in a free society where you can VOTE your convictions. Will we always win? No. But that is the last right, not entitlement that we, as Americans have left. Do you have a problem with that? I vote my convictions, not the way the wind blows. Look at President Obama. How did he get elected? He made people “feel good.” Was there change? NO Where? Give me an example with facts! Vote convictions not how they look, speak, and how many ads they run! I place basketball but I never voted because he did! Duh! Enough said.
I have to repeat myself I guess ad infinitum: I don’t like the Dems either, and Obama is disappointing me greatly, which I’m not surprised at. He is really a Lite-Republican, as Clinton was. But at least Clinton brought us peace and prosperity (a HUGE budget surplus), so maybe Obama can do some good too.
And I never said you were crazy above, not really. You people like to put words in others mouths and exaggerate and become hysterical.
And all I have been saying is they’re ALL crooks (except for a small number who are powerless, because they are honest and good) and voting does nothing to change anything. You need to wake up to that, unless all you want is lower taxes for the rich, then yes vot Republican. But that is all you will get, so if you’re rich then I understand why you would vot, otherwise it is A BIG WASTE OF TIME. We clearly need to demand as a people something different, something BETTER!
If you don’t believe in voting for your candidate whomever he/she may be, do not grouse about how bad everything is with this Country, State, local etc. Your vote does count! I was told to vote when I turned 18 since I could hear! I was also told to vote your convictions and never a party! That’s what I see wrong today. Nobody gives a damn until it is too late and then they point fingers. It’s always somebody else’s fault, not yours. Sorry state of affairs we are in isn’t it?,
and you just confirmed it.
I keep telling you- voting has bceome a waste of time, a joke, a trick to make us believe we still have a democracy. And not voting is probably the only good way we can peacefully make the crooks look like the crooks they are by not voting for ANY OF THEM! Trust me, it took me awhile to realize this. Let it sink in. You cannot rely on your Repubs (or the Dems) that is what you need to realize! I don’t think you ever will Paul, or Neil, but perhaps enough other people will. Read below, it is very accurate in my opinion.
Since the Carter years, what has the Unaccountable Elite done to deserve the respect and admiration of the American people?
Morning in America brought to you by Ronald Reagan. Iran-Contra (arms for hostages, shipping missiles to Iran, illegal funding of pro-US Nicaraguan rebels) led to the convictions of Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger, Elliot Abrams (Assistant Secretary of State), Robert McFarlane (National Security Advisor), Claire George (CIA), privatization/deregulation of US government functions accelerated, destruction of US civil service morale, accelerated poverty and homelessness, 200+ US Marine deaths in Lebanon, accelerated funding to nascent Al Qaeda to combat the USSR in Afghanistan and elsewhere, inflated USSR military capabilities for the purpose of massive defense budgets, created national missile defense jobs program, increased arms sales to dictatorial regimes, oversaw the Cold War, sent future Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to work with Saddam Hussein, provided intelligence and chemicals to Iraq for its war against Iran, ruined future US economic performance by expanding deficits, did not game consequences of national security policy and practice.
Thousand Points of Light brought to you by George Bush I. Pardoned those convicted in Iran-Contra (Bush essentially pardoned himself), invaded Iraq and Panama, watched Los Angeles burn during Rodney King riots (later sent troops), continued privatization of government, completely befuddled at USSR’s collapse, pushed for NAFTA, increased arms exports, did not know how to shop at a supermarket, did not monitor nascent Al Qaeda and internal troubles in Middle East and Central Asia (break away publics), got the US military embroiled in Somalia, did not game consequences of national security policy and practice.
Bridge to the 21st Century brought to you by Bill Clinton. Brought Republican Party doctrine and practice into the Democratic Party changing the two-party system into one party with two faces, accelerated deregulation of financial institutions and markets, trumped up the war with Serbia after the breakup of Yugoslavia, distracted the nation with Lewinsky Affair and impeachment proceedings, pushed NAFTA through the US Congress, accelerated arms sales to unsavory foreign regimes, did not game consequences of national security policy and practice, failed to competently track a fully funded Al Qaeda and convince national security apparatus of insurgent attack on American soil the result of decades of ill advised national security policy and practice in the Middle East, Central Asia.
Axis of Evil brought to you by George Bush II. Watched New Orleans die during Hurricane Katrina, appointed those convicted and pardoned in Reagan/Father’s Iran-Contra scandal, ignored warnings about insurgent attack that took place on 9-11-2001, ignored debt levels of American consumers, accelerated deregulation of financial markets, invaded Afghanistan then proceeded, on false pretenses, to invade Iraq and execute Saddam Hussein, oversaw displacement of 2.5 million Iraqi’s, funded insurgent groups in Iran, ignored rise of the BRIC’s, approved torture, approved wiretapping and spying on Americans, established Guantanamo Gulag, did not game consequences of national security policy and practice.
Yes We Can brought to you by Barak Obama. Lifted campaign theme from Sammy Davis, Jr. book titled Yes I Can, currently expanding war in Afghanistan, expanding foreign internal defense operations (two US troops die during operations supporting the Philippine Army’s battle against insurgents), appoints Clinton operatives to key positions, revives hype on cyberwar from Clinton era, does not close Guantanamo Gulag, maintains policies of Bush II, authorizes trillions in funding to save auto industry and finance industry but maintains paltry effort to save US homeowners/debtors, is not gaming consequences of national security policy and practice (to be continued).
The Unaccountable Elite have promoted, and helped execute, the foreign and domestic policies that have dominated the American experience for decades. The good in all this, if there is such a thing, is dwarfed and distorted by the lies told during lobbying campaigns or campaign speeches, the unnecessary deaths of US troops (New Orleans residents too), the dismal care for the wounded returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, homeowners evicted, jobs lost, savings demolished, health insurance beyond the reach of millions, high murder rates, and individuals tortured whether by water boarding or a Predator.
Robbie Boy, Simple question! Do you vote??? If not, your comments are totally uncalled for. Why? You didn’t earn the “Honor.” Let no voice be unheard! Robbie Boy! That’s the Scot coming out again!
Paul- you are a simple person. Set in your ways. You need to open your mind beyond what you think you’ve learned all these years. Times are a changing.
The REASON for voting either Dem or Repub is a scam and for the brainwashed. Believe me it is VERY hard for me to say that- it runs against my grain as much as it does for anyone. I used to believe what you posted above about it. But I will vote probably, next time. But for a third party candidate- and I pead with you and everyone else to do the same. I am not saying vote for the one I’m voing for, you vote Libertarian for example, and I will vote Green. WE GOTTA SEND ALL THE CROOKS A MESSAGE NEXT TIME, AND THE TIME AFTER THAT, AND THE TIME AFTER THAT.
PLEASE, for the sake of this county, wake up to this logic.
Oh and Neil, it’s plead not pead- so don’t go getting all giggly on us now, ok?
From a “Simple man” to an “educated One.” Vote your convictions. Don’t ever come back to “Plead” to me as well as others that you “made the wrong choice” because you didn’t! YOU NEVER VOTED!! I voted for Carter. In hindsight, Big mistake. Carter has done wonders after his presidency such as Habitat for Humanity that I strongly support. But you know something, I VOTED my convictions at the time for which I have no regrets. At least I VOTED my convictions!!! Have you?????
Rob cannot answer because he never votes. What a loss.