The story behind the IPCC director’s involvement in winning huge grants to study the impacts of a debunked claim about glaciers melting in the Himalayas had another layer added today when the Times Online (U.K.) reported that he knew about the bogus claim before announcing his latest award to study it.
Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the U.N. IPCC, knew about the lack of credibility of the claim that glaciers in the Himalayas would melt by 2035, which was included in the 2007 IPCC report, as far back as prior to the Copenhagen climate conference in December 2009.
But according to Pachauri, he didn’t find out about the problematic claim, for which the IPCC was forced to apologize last week, until early January 2010. Pachauri said he didn’t recognize the error until “about ten days” before his recent conversation with the Times on January 22nd.
On January 15th, however, approximately three days after the time when Pachauri claimed to have found out about the error, his Energy and Resources Institute (TERI) announced a collaboration with the Global Center of Iceland, funded primarily by the Carnegie Corporation of New York, to study the impacts of Himalayan glacier melt, noting specifically that “credible” science suggested the glaciers could be gone in the next few decades.
So Pachauri knew about the false claim, did not instruct his organization to cancel the collaboration to study the impacts of that false claim, and his organization will be accepting money for research on that false claim.
Like I have said many times I hope you guys are right about this one particularly important issue. But if so, don’t get big heads, as they say even a broken clock is right once in awhile. But I still think the jury is out. It doesn’t matter really, mother nature will inform us eventually. To run around now like chickens with our heads cut off probably won’t change a thing. You guys should focus on some other important issues too- maybe you do, if so that is good. But don’t be so one dimensional. Try and see things from another prespecitve for once and really be objective as much as possible. There’s propaganda everywhere. You don’t own the truth…
I wonder what it would take for you to think the jury is in. What more do you need? It’s not like the scientists involved are going to have a press conference and say, “yeh, wer’e full of crap, we lied.” So, don’t hold you’re breath for that.
This website is set up to deal with one topic: The climate scam. That topic alone has many dimensions, so I’d hardly call it one-dimensional. Discussion of other topics isn’t appropriate for this site, but there are others.
Let see it from another perspective. this one very simple and personal. I have a HUMMER H1. My wife love I start its engine half hour before I go to work, ’cause our flowers show us they are enchanted and beautifull with the CO2 we provide to them, and in Europe, where I survive, a bunch of stupid politicians tax me (mean: take away the money of my kid’s future) because another bunch of stupid pseudoscientific guys want to make business with the lack of sense and the cowardy of the majority of the people of this world.
Since 99.9% of all politically correct opinions are dishonest and oportunistic, and since the main reason to preserve nature most be to be able to use it and enjoy it, my next perspective will be the rational use of the AMAZONAS forests, ’cause it produce more CO2 that the entire car industry and nobody tax Lula’s Brazil for such an arrogant green luxury. Boycot Amazonas virginity. Promote endemic and intelligent reforestation after removing all these trees!
Climate scam it is, climate scam it will be and always has been. That’s why we are here. Listened to Jason Lewis tonight an Prof. Spencer. Interesting to say the least.
I missed the last hour of Jason’s show, the one with Spencer on it. I really wanted to hear it. (Had to work)
Hal you can listen to it here. http://www.ktlkfm.com/pages/jasonlewisshow.html#
Ok, then….! You guys can run in circles all you want, and keep Cubanshamoo too. I still believe that it is more logical for the wealthy elite to want and need to destroy any and all environmentally friendly/conscious ideas and concerns, including global warminb/climate change. They do it all the time in other countries and have done so for hundreds of years. Not always for environmental reasons, it depends on what the coutnry is trying to do for itself- and if that impinges upon the elites cash flow, well then assassinations occur, rulers are over-thrown, elections are rigged, etc, etc. Only now it is occurring in this country in more blatant ways due to the excellent cover and manipulation by the MSM. (although what could be more blatant than the multiple assassinations that occurred here in the 1960’s??!!) I will always believe what is most logical, until proven otherwise. People on the right utilize their own sense of logic, and it is subjective 95% of the time. The key to logic is and always will be Objectivity. Many on the Right lack that key, even though they will dispute that short-coming. It is much more convenient and self-serving to remain subjective. Even profitable.
Rob: I think you have many misconceptions that you operate from. I am not an elite, nor am I wealthy, nor do I want to see the environment destroyed. You make it sound as though we are hiding in a bunker, wringing our hands, and laughing maniacally while we kill all the trees and butterflies, counting our windfall profits!
From the begining we have said the data was being manipulated, and distorted. We said that AGW was a lie. Not because we want to destroy the environment, or because we can’t handle change. We said that because the “facts” as presented did not pass the smell test! We sensed that we were being lied to. And then, once the “solutions” were proposed, we recognized what it was. It was the anti-capitalist, and anti-industrialist agenda wrapped up in a neat little package with shiny wrapping paper and a bow.
And the whole time people like you were telling us that wer’e stupid morons, and evil, vile people because we want to destroy the planet! But it turns out that we were right all along. We were lied to. The data was flawed, and manipulated.
How can you sit there at your computer and pontificate about conspiracies, and how the Right has a subjective perception, when you don’t know what the “h-e-double-toothpicks” you’re talking about 100% of the time!
Why are you here? Really. What do you hope to accomplish? Are you really trying to get us to “think outside of the box”, or have some kind of epiphany, or paradigm shift? Or are you simply here to get someone to agree with you? I think you’re here because there are people who don’t think like you do, and you just can’t stand it.
Neil: You again miss the point entirely. I am NOT nor did I call any of you elitists. You are NOT (I am assuming here) and neither am I. Why can’t you detach from making everything about YOU directly?? AND you like to put words “in my mouth” and hypebolize. There is no “anti-industrialist agenda” anywhere in the world that I can sense. Plus- we Americans are crying out for those good jobs to come back!!! But not to pollute us out of our own country… even birds know better than to shit in their own nests, as they say. You are simply confused in your thinking process, and many of your responses to what I post and re: the articles (some of which are good ol’ right-wing propaganda) display that lack of clarity and logical reasoning that frustrates folks like me.
You are right about one thing- my involvement is truly an exercise in futility, and I don’t know why I bother…. Maybe it’s a sort of masochism on my part. Or the way most people respond to an accident of some sort- they want to see what is there. I am curious about my fellow man- especially those on the fringe. And say what you want but you and all your heroes (e.g. Palin) are very much on the fringe. Your denial of that and other things proves how dishonest or out of touch you really are. At least some people/groups on the fringe know they are and are even proud of it. You all don’t seem to have a clue.
Neil, couldn’t have said it better! He has an agenda that he will not divulge and a Napoleon complex I suspect. May be from The IPCC? They obviously didn’t hack his email. Enough said.
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Looking for Rob’s agenda may be giving him too much credit.
Free speech it is and free speech it will be. Let this Robbie Boy say what he wants. Do I agree? No, but I believe in the first amendment. I’m strongly for the second that I assume very few agree and I will catch hell for it, but so be it.
Neil, love your comment. The old saying is, “I smell an odor but cannot put my finger on the source.” Well, we have now found, “The Source.” The IPCC.
Birds of a feather. And you premadonnas don’t like to get yours ruffled.
My overall point is this: I realize you joe schmoes are NOT a part of the elite, and you never will be. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED to support them, and you do so quite well and will apparently continue to do so until the bitter end.
Our brains are washed of all the lies given by the IPCC. Truth is bittersweet.
There are human tools in every country and always have been. The challenge for everyone, including people like me, is to see through the veil of lies and deceit. Not just subjectively in a fantasy world of your own, but the reality that is there out in the open mostly, but so hard to see. Maybe there is something lacking in those who refuse to see, and to not continually try to do what’s right, for everyone, not just yoursleves. Is it heart? Soul? Brain power and/physiology? A combination of these things? I don’t know, and probably never will know the answer to that.
“Plain” German people became Nazis or nazi sympathizers. Similar things have occurred in other countries throughout history. And there are usally quite understandable mundane reasons for that, i.e. money, food, water, security, etc. Survival sometimes dpended upon allowing oneself to become a monster, or at least assist the real monsters for selfish reasons. But in the end, it is seen for what it is- evil, pure and simple. No matter how you try to justify it, or live with it, that is what it is. There are different levels on conscience in humans. It’s just like anything elase that can develop or under-develop in the brain, probably for many different reason we may never comprehend. You can’t really change it. But can a person dig deep into their own minds and evaluate for themselves what is truly right and what may be wrong? Do you need religion for that? I don’t believe so, but for many people it seems to help.
We each must decide for ourselves. Are we a part of something bigger than just ourselves and our immediate families? Or can we reach out and cooperate with each other, put aside certain differences, as they say, and really try to do what is best for everyone, across the entire planet. Why else are we here? Just to pile up our expensive toys, and gauge our self-worth in superficial ways? Really? Is that what many of you believe??? Me first, and the rest of the world can just go to hell??? What a sad sad outlook that must be.
Everyone wishes to survive as you say, and live their lives freely without being told what is politically correct and how we have to act, live sacrific. Nobody wants a slave master. That’s the difference my friend.
So you want no rules or laws at all? Meaning, no jails? That’s pretty leftist and radical sounding to me. What are you some kind of hippy?
BTW, other than libertarians it is mainly two-year-olds who feel the same way.
Although I too feel there are too many laws and jailing of certain segments of our population, but I doubt we would agree on what segment that might be. (hint- Non-victim crimes, e.g. certain drug usage and possession.)
You are mainly wishing for some kind of juvenile dream world that can never be. Join us intelligent tolerant adults, we will show you the way. A real way, a better way. Break out of your extremist right-wing boxes and use your imaginatoins for saner better world. But I won’t hold my breath.
Think you better go back to hemp?
Again you provide a non-response. Strange, but typifies your type of mentality. You have no real answers. You just bloviate and criticize. You should be a right-wing radio personality. They make a lot of money too.
Oh, I know. You only want rules and laws that YOU like, probably that targets people like me….. I know you do, but you won’t admit it. And that is simply either childish egocentrism or a fascist personality, possibly even both.
This country imprisons more of it’s citizens than any other. And WE have the audacity to invade and kill citizens in other countries, because they aren’t democratic enough??!!! If you believe that kind of BS you might as well give up thinking altogether.
Just what is your primary problem other than hating capitalists?
I didn’t say that, did I? Never have, and actually I support a certain type of capitalism, market capitalism to be exact. Your type sometimes refers to “it” as free-market capitalism. Maybe it is or could be the same thing. But your “free-market capitalism” has been hijacked, and long ago too, by unethical creeps. The capitalism we have today, and the one you guys still fight in the defense of is not “free” or ever will be. That is not their intention and they have fooled you and are using you as thier tools to keep the status quo. Not only that they are not satisfied with all the power and money they do have, they are using many different tools at their disposal, including people like you, to gain even more pwoer and control and they are using “capitalism” to do so. You and yours have swallowed their propaganda and are blind to these facts. People who want true freedom need your help and support, not your blind obedience to those controlling you.
If working hard and ethically for a profit in giving good service to clients to earn money to pay employees is capitalism and free market then, yes, I must then be blindfolded by these alleged “facts” you state are true. Boy, I hope you get a real job someday.