President Obama has put salvation from dreaded climate catastrophes on his action agenda hot list. During his inaugural address he said: “We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations.” He went on to shame anyone who disagrees with this assessment, saying, “Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires and crippling drought and powerful storms.”
This sort of scary presidential prognostication isn’t new. He previously emphasized at the Democratic National Convention that global warming was “not a hoax”, referred to recent droughts and floods as “a threat to our children’s future”, and pledged to make the climate a second-term priority.
As much as I hate to nit-pick his doomsday scenarios, it might be appropriate to correct a few general misconceptions before getting back to that “overwhelming judgment of science” stuff.
Read the rest at: Forbes
Hope Nemo blew out your power too, psycho.It is very very obvious to the vast majority of the world that human activity has expedited climate change, can’t wait to see what other horrifying record breaking phenomena happen over the next several months.
You sound angry. Why would you hope that anyones power goes out? You say it is obvious, very very obvious to the vast majority of the world that human activity has expedited climate change. Ok. Explain how. What is the mechanism that has expedited climate change? How has human activities caused this?
I’m serious. You are reacting emotionally to it, I’m asking you to explain it in a rational way, if you can.
There is no doubt that the climate is changing. There isn’t even an argument about that. No one says it’s not. But the thing is, and it’s something I think a lot of people don’t know, is that the climate is not stable. It never was stable. It has been in a constant state of flux (change) from the beginning, which was approximately 4 1/2 billion years ago. It is what scientists call a non-linear chaotic system. Just because the climate is changing, and there are storms unlike what we are used to in our time is not evidence in itself that human activity has any effect on it whatsoever. And even if there is, for the sake of argument, a human caused effect it is no more than 5-10% of it, which would mean that 90-95% of it is natural.
As far as the current storm in the North East, I gotta say I live in Minnesota, and 3′ of snow is not the end of the world. And it’s not as though that region has never had a blizzard before. And records only go back so far. There is no way to know the snowfall amounts that have happened before records were kept for that region. But we do know that at many points along the geological history of the northern hemisphere, that region was covered by a mile thick sheet of ice during the many ice ages that have occured through history.
Then there is the media. The proliferation of news in our time is unprecedented. We have so many sources of information available today than any other generation had throughout the history of civilization. And today any time there is a severe weather story it is flashed out across the country in real time. And because they want you to stay tuned, it will be breathlessly reported as though it is the worst thing to ever occur, and it is hyped to get you interested in the story so you will keep watching. It also has the effect that many more storms are reported today as a result of people living in areas where there were no people around to be affected by a storm 30-40 years ago.
So calm down. Take a breath. Do some research, and get some facts. You are ignorant. I don’t mean that as an insult. You are ignorant because you are underinformed, uninformed, and misinformed, and all on purpose. It is the desired state for you to be in to be easily manipulated into supporting the green aganda, and it’s not your fault.
Maybe we need another run-down on what the “green agenda” is exactly, who is behind it, and what the objective of said agenda is.
That is an exellent idea! Here you go……
Explains a lot, that’s for sure. Excerpt:
Agenda 21 is not an environmental management policy, but an attempt to impose a global centrally planned quasi-government administered by the United Nations. Under Agenda 21 all central government and local authority signatories are required to conform strictly to a common prescribed standard and hence this is just communism resurrected in a new guise. Now that Agenda 21 has gained a stranglehold on global regulatory and planning processes Maurice Strong and his Club of Rome colleagues have moved on to the next phase of the Global Green Agenda.
Boiled down the Green Agenda site is based on religious (Christian) Revlation end-times B.S. The paranoia about a foreign non-local global authority (The UN) is nothing new. Interestingly, it is the Free Trade agreements that have eroded State/Nation soverignty and is fully beneficial to unfettered capitalism/consumerism which happens to be the exact opposite of the fears based in the above website and the “green agenda”. So even if the Satanic Green Agenda is real (dubious to say the least) then it is losing to the other side- the One World Global Free Trade Corporate agenda. Thus, the lack of any reality to support the power and ability of any subversive “green agenda” is suspicously absent while the success and growth of multi-national corporations and their bought for politicians and laws world-wide are mostly right out in the open for all to see.
Yeah, well there is a reference to the bible in it. And you know me, I’m not religious at all. I don’t believe in any religions. But I don’t think it diminishes everything else in the articles just because the writer holds certain beliefs about end times prophesies. In fact the writer says throughout the articles that these things are in their own words, and in their reports, and provides links for everything so you can go look at them yourself. He is not making anything up out of thin air. Also there is nothing in these articles that try to pursuade you into believing anything about the end times prophesies. There is no mention of it. If you took the time to read the whole thing, you would know that.
You asked what the green agenda was, and who was involved. I provided that aswer. Can you provide a similar resource that outlines the One World Global Free Trade Corporate agenda? One that names names, and spells out their agenda from actual reports and documents?
I’m serious. If you can provide something like the green agenda site for the One World Global Free Trade Corporate agenda. I promise I will read the whole thing before I make any judgment on it.
Hmmm…. A web search turned up nothing on the One World Global Free Trade Corporate agenda. Not a peep. Hmmm….
Getting back to the article that I posted by Mr. Bell. I just want to point out that this is all “in their own words”. It’s not one writer speculating what these people think. Mr. Bell points out specific things that they have said. You can argue that he’s misinterperating what they say, or that he is taking things out of context, but you can’t deny that they said those things.
As far as the green agenda site I posted in a comment above. It is true the writer is affiliated with a website dedicated to Christian end time prophesy believers. So if you want to completely discount it because of that, it is your right to do so. But I would ask you to read all of the articles in it and decide for yourself before you discount it. Personally I wouldn’t care if it was written by a Muslim, or a Jew, because it’s not pushing any ideaology.
As I stated the real agenda is hidden is plain sight, the best place to “hide” something, as the elites know. And the other part of that is to place the blame for what is happening to the (MIC) economy and how the masses are slaves to it, on their enemies, which in this case is anybody who questions the corporate free trade model, such as environmentalists who are at the top of their enemies list. Liberals of course are the enemy. It’s a propaganda war basically. And they play it brilliantly and own the media which seals the deal. There are many websites that offer the anti-corporate message, just not labeled as I stated it of course. Haven’t you ever wondered why websites that appeal to you such as the Green Agenda exist so conveniently and prolifically? It’s not just websites- it is Think Tanks and non-profit organizations that create these ideas as on-going propaganda. It’s crucial- it wouldn’t work without it- because people are dumb but they can be stupid. People know when they are being screwed- the key is who they blame. But this involves being able to dissect and break through ingrained beliefs and life-long imersion in the very system that needs to be critiqued. That is not easy for many and not even possible for some to do.
T h a t ‘ s a s t r e t c h !
Ok. Can you at least find something that names names? Who are the elitists behind the One World Global Free Trade Corporate agenda? What are some of these many websites that offer the anti-corporate message?
We’ve been down this circular dead-end road before you and I (cul de sac!) So I refuse to repeat that which is fruitless and inane. And no this is not a cop out, I’ve answered all your past questions many of which are petty and argumentative, illogical too of course. You love your brand of paranoia, I guess I just love mine.
I’ve answered these questions of yours previously (these people are behind the scenes for a reason, their names rarely in the news etc. and even people like me don’t know who they are exactly- they are from the old wealthy families, Morgan, Rockefeller, DuPont, and also the British Royalty and their relatives like the Bush’s to name a few). Isn’t is interesting how the Right is able to constantly point the finger in almost every direction (mostly Left) at what we are told are our enemies except at their masters and the real culprits? We are reminded of this every day all day long in the media. It’s called brain-washing. If it was easy to identify the power elite we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I’m done trying to answer your illogical and disingenuous anti-questions.
Wow. So no then?
Wow, so read my lips. I know, shocking how evasive and cryptic I am right?! I must be full of it… blah blah blah. Spank yourself Neil and go to your room without supper.
You haven’t done anything you say you have. You are evasive and cryptic and that is not an accident. You’re not fooling me, or anyone else by feigning indignation.
I expect nothing less from you, your mind is solidly right-wing. I’ve even laid out the logic behind this on this site for a long time now, as a remedial way for folks to grasp it, but as I’ve learned people are very stubborn in their beliefs and rarely if ever change them much. That fact is a source of dismay to me. But I write my comments less for you than for any others who may be less rigid and idealogically dogmatic. Here’s another example: do you ever wonder why (no you don’t, this is rhetorical) your belief system coincides with the powers that actually have more power and resources than those that you rail against? This is a fact and yet you will, if I may respond for you, refute that adamently stating that it’s the Left and Liberals who posses the lions share of power and wealth, thus control. This is just another example of the illogic mind at work, plain and simple. And yes, I am quite aware of wealthy Liberals etc. But this is the crux of our differences in the grasp of reality, resulting in picking different sides about who is to blame for all the graft and manipulation.
Here’s a link to the U.N. site that explains how ‘consumption patterns’, among other things, need to change in order for some of the goals, that are outlined under the Agenda 21 programme, to be realised.
There doesn’t appear to be anything sinister of coercive in the recommendations, although the language used is often vague enough for those who are conspiratorially-inclined to see the handiwork of Satan behind it. They do not mention One World Order, the Illuminati, the Rothschild bankers, the Freemasons, or any of the other standard villains in this drama. Maybe – just maybe – their intentions are not evil, but good, even if their methods not exactly transparent and responsive to the actual needs of real communities. Their recommendations are too ‘top-down’, too bureaucratic – we know best, you do this, and if these directives are followed all will be well.
Neil- you refuse real debate when it occurs every time. I am not the one who feigns. Who’s the lazy one again? Your positions are laid out very clearly by the elite. Mine are not, they are suppressed and hidden by the elite. So, it is easy for you to focus on all “your” ammunition vs. what appears to be little on my side. Who has to work harder to achieve enlightenment?
That said, “AGW” may be in fact another tool for the elite. I have never denied that possibility. But when all is said and done it makes less sense for that to be the case than it is for it to be a true appeal to humanity to take notice of their impact upon nature. That is all I’m saying or ever have said. You have no monopoly for any kind of truth or superior problem-solving. You are simply choosing to believe what you want to believe. I do the same, admittedly, to a point. I am flexible. Do you really think that if the AGW “hoaxers” were able to pull such a thing off, the opposite couldn’t alo be true? That the real hoax is denying AGW? Who and what is the most threatened by AGW? Think about that clearly for a few minutes. Because if you can do that, then you will begin to realize who it is that truly benefits from winning this grand debate. But wait- you think it’s the UN and that they somehow wield huge power over the globe (which they do not). Why do I bother? I guess I’m not doing this for you Neil, it is for others who are not fanatical.
Sorry, it just comes accross as delusional now. You have never presented any evidence, just accusations. With not a shred of evidence to back it up. The problem is that you are a communist. There need not be any evidence present, as long as it is anti-capitalist, you accept it without question. Like I said, you are only fooling yourself with this line of BS. You claim to be so open minded, yet you are the most closed minded SOB I’ve ever had the displeasure to cross paths with. Why is it so hard for you to present any evidence to back up your beliefs? Your additude is one of arrogance, believing that your ideaology trumps all. That you have a monopoly on truth. This is far from a realistic, rational, or logical point of view. You are just an ideaolouge who thinks that there should be no argument, dissent, or disagreement. And you can’t accept any one of those as valid because it may just cause you to question your beloved beliefs. Even when I do post things to support what I say, they are ignored, discounted, or ridiculed. You have never given even a serious examination to anything I have posted. All you have done is run to your search bar and googled it to see what your favorite websites have to counter it. Open minded my a**.
Of course, if all else fails just call your opponent a communist. That’ll fix ’em! (roll-eyes, face-palm, and every other expression of exasperation and incredulity you can think of).
Neil- your (silly) statements such as the one above just reveal the level of reliable shallowness and lack of abstract thinking that I have pointed out before, in never-ending frustration. You are not a dumb person, I will give you that, but I have known several very smart Wing-nuts and they are very capable left-brained folks, just as you are. It is the lack of right-brain ability that retards them, and you, from being a more well-rounded individual. Calling me close-minded is absurd, (same with calling me a communist which is also hilarious BTW, thanks for the chuckle) and it is also termed “projection” technically speaking (not the communist part, the close-minded part).
Peter it is frightening to me that at this point in history we have throwbacks like this using communism as the “evil doer” etc. This proves my point about how effective brainwashing has been in this country. It even has effecteed Neil’s generation which is a whole generation and a half approx. BEYOND the heyday of the Cold War. That is scary to me- the power of the elite to inject whatever they wish to upon a segment of any given population (given mass media). And that is the only reason I am on the fence about AGW- that it may be a ploy by the elite for their own benefit/reasons- but I lean in favor of it due to the fact that nothing significant is really being done about it (one reason) and the elite have more power than that- meaning if they wanted to they could cause our leaders to start enacting real laws etc. to fight something that they wanted addressed. The fact that there is now enough skepticism and ennui about it serves their purpose IMO and for now they are satisfied about their success in curtailing any real backlash against fossil fuels. Not that it was that hard- our entire economy AND MIC relies on it, for now anyway. We are hostage to fossil fuels and that is the way they like it. Money in the bank.
Obama invoked God. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/02/13/god-and-climate-change-column/1917975/
We therefore should rest our case. God wants a carbon tax. Is invoking God to impose a tax an impeachable offense?
Obviously discussing any tax increase is impeachable for the Right. GHW Bush got kicked out after he did it, no second term, cuz he raised taxes to pay for Reagan’s cold war partying. But the Right turns a blind eye to real impeahcable offenses otherwsie Reagan would have been impeached.