Left-wing Env. Scientist Bails Out Of Global Warming Movement: Declares it a 'corrupt social phenomenon…strictly an imaginary problem of the 1st World middleclass'

Dr. Rancourt

Exclusive New Video: Calls cap-and-trade an ‘horrendous scam’ — Joins other left of center scientific and activist dissenters

By Marc Morano

Physicist Dr. Denis Rancourt, a former professor and environmental science researcher at the University of Ottawa, has officially bailed out of the man-made global warming movement. 

In a hard-hitting and new exclusive video just released by Climate Depot, Dr. Rancourt declares that the entire man-made global warming movement is nothing more than a “corrupt social phenomenon.” “It is as much psychological and social phenomenon as anything else,” Rancourt, who has published peer-reviewed research, explained in a June 8, 2010 essay. (Rancourt’s email: claude.cde@gmail.com)

Watch Rancourt video here. 

“I argue that by far the most destructive force on the planet is power-driven financiers and profit-driven corporations and their cartels backed by military might; and that the global warming myth is a red herring that contributes to hiding this truth. In my opinion, activists who, using any justification, feed the global warming myth have effectively been co-opted, or at best neutralized,” Rancourt said. 

“Global warming is strictly an imaginary problem of the First World middleclass,” he stated.

Read the rest at Climate Depot.

68 Responses to Left-wing Env. Scientist Bails Out Of Global Warming Movement: Declares it a 'corrupt social phenomenon…strictly an imaginary problem of the 1st World middleclass'

  1. Rob N. Hood November 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm #

    Uh oh. Look at Lefties list of “destructive forces.” The guy must be off his rocker eh? ??? Or…not? Or….????

    The 2010 federal budget shows $3.6 trillion in spending and $2.4 trillion in revenues. Net deficit: $1.2 trillion. It’s a doozy, too. It nearly 13 percent of GDP. It’s the highest since 1943, during World War II.

    The goal, then, is to close a $1.2 trillion budget gap. Can we find at least $1.2 trillion in budget cuts? News flash: getting rid of the National Endowment for the Arts ($161 million in 2010, or about 0.01 percent of the deficit), ain’t gonna do the trick.

    Any serious budget cutter has to start with defense. The reason is simple: it accounts for 54 percent of discretionary (i.e., optional) federal spending. It’s the biggest piece of the pie by far.

    (Mainstream news reports usually state that defense accounts for 20 percent of federal outlays. But they’re fudging the facts in order to pretty up the military-industrial complex. For example, they include budget items like Social Security that no one can do anything about–they’re in a trust fund.)

    Of that 54 percent, 18 percent is debt service on old wars. There’s nothing we can do about that–though that number should probably give us pause the next time a president wants to invade Panama or Grenada.

    Anyway, that leaves 36 percent, or $1.3 trillion to play with. $200 billion a year goes to Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Let’s pull out. We’re losing anyway.

    New Deficit: $1.0 trillion.

    In 2007 Chalmers Johnson wrote a book about the staggering costs of American imperialism. “The worldwide total of U.S. military personnel in 2005, including those based domestically, was 1,840,062 supported by an additional 473,306 Defense Department civil service employees and 203,328 local hires,” he wrote. “Its overseas bases, according to the Pentagon, contained 32,327 barracks, hangars, hospitals, and other buildings, which it owns, and 16,527 more that it leased. The size of these holdings was recorded in the inventory as covering 687,347 acres overseas and 29,819,492 acres worldwide, making the Pentagon easily one of the world’s largest landlords.”

    We’re broke. It’s time to bring those 2.3 million men and women home. At an average cost of $140,000 per employee–crazy but true–we could save $322 billion annually.

    New Deficit: $676 billion.

    After Defense, the other big costs are Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

    The obvious place to start slashing is wealthy recipients. Why should Bill Gates, worth $58 billion, get Social Security or Medicare benefits? Dean Baker sums up the traditional liberal argument in favor of giving tax money to people who don’t need it: “Social Security enjoys enormous bipartisan support because all workers pay into it and expect to benefit from it in retirement. Taking away the benefits that better-off workers earned would undoubtedly undermine their support for the program. This could set up a situation in which the program could be more easily attacked in the future.”

    Yeah, well, whatever. We. Are. Broke. “Means testing”–for example, eliminating benefits for the approximately one percent of families over age 65 who earn over $100,000 a year–could save $150 billion a year.

    New deficit: $526 billion.

    Now let’s talk about the other side of the equation: income. How can the U.S. government scare up some extra cash?

    Allowing the Bush tax cuts for the richest three percent of Americans to expire on schedule would bring in $70 billion a year. Seems like a no-brainer: anyone earning over $250,000 a year is doing awesome. Moreover, if Democrats don’t insist on the expiration of at least some of those “temporary” tax cuts, what’s the point of the deal they cut with the GOP back in 2001?

    New deficit: $456 billion.

    When it comes to revenues, you have to go where the money is: the wealthy. The rich have gotten richer, which is a big part of the reason we’re in a Depression again. They’re hogging all the goodies. The rest of us can’t spend.

    Despite the miserable economy, there are still 2 million American households earning a whopping $250,000 or more per year. (Their average income is $435,000.) If we were to increase these super-rich Americans’ marginal income tax rate from 35 to 50 percent–the same it was during the early 1980s under Reagan–we’d bring in an extra $131 billion a year. If we raised it back to 91 percent–the top rate during the boom years between 1950 to 1963–the Treasury would collect $487 billion.

    Budget SURPLUS: $31 billion.

    And we haven’t started on corporate taxes.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 14, 2010 at 7:22 am #

      More of the same old class envy/jealousy. I don’t care how much money someone makes, if you start taxing them at a higher rate they will find ways to shelter their money, or they will adjust their income to reduced levels and pay less taxes anyway. We are not talking about stupid, mindless automatons here. People who make the kind of money stated in your plagerized article above are people who own small to medium sized businesses, who, when faced with a larger tax burden, will tend to downsize their businesses. Which will tend to stifle economic growth.

      When you LOWER taxes, these very same people will expand their businesses, create new jobs and economic opportunities for others, and spur economic growth which increases revenues to the govt. through expanded income tax rolls. And it works every time it is tried. What is suggested in the above plagerized article, fails every time it is tried. And that is not an opinion, that is plain, simple, black & white economic reality.

      • Rob N. Hood November 19, 2010 at 8:18 am #

        False. Fail. I’m not talking about small to medium businesses- never have. I’m talking, and always have, about LARGE CORPORATIONS- who prey upon you, me, and small/medium size business. Why do YOU all ALWAYS miss that POINT? What is it a MENTAL BLOCK of some sort??

        • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 20, 2010 at 9:49 am #

          You don’t know what you are talking about because you are blinded by your own envy and jealousy of the “rich”. You are talking about penalizing the rich and redistributing wealth. Period. What you are suggesting, via the plagerized article, is nothing short of that.
          And as far as the corporations “preying” upon us, I’ll simply ask you this: Can you name one product, or service, that is provided by any corporation anywhere that you are forced to buy? There are a few things that we are forced to buy such as insurance, but we are forced to buy that by the government, not the insurance companies.
          All you want to do is bring down the “rich”, and you are willing to destroy the economy to accomplish that. That is mad. (And I don’t mean angry.)

  2. Hal Groar November 12, 2010 at 10:36 pm #

    Even the lefties are bailing from AGW. What ever happened to acid rain anyway? I remember that was the big fear when I was in grade school. It must be better now, maybe it went for a walk…”I’m happy!! I’m happy!” Sorry, had a vision from Holy Grail.

  3. paul wenum November 12, 2010 at 11:09 pm #

    Hal, I agree. Get back on subject instead of reading the rants of the irrational that have nothing to do with Global Climate Scam. I’m as guilty as well. The left will say, do, anything to deny the deniers such as you and I and others. Climate change is natural. Always have and will continue to be.

  4. Rob N. Hood November 13, 2010 at 8:19 am #

    Acid rain was dealt with by utilizing a “new” concept developed by a conservative, believe or not. It was a form of cap and trade. And guess what ahppened… it worked! So you see you Rightys used to be good for something. However, as I’ve said before I don’t think this would work for climate change, so don’t even accuse me of being for it, cuz I’m not.

    Another learning moment brought to you by…me. Your welcome.

  5. Hal Groar November 13, 2010 at 7:35 pm #

    Chock full of details as usual…thanks Robbt. Google I shall.

    • Rob N. Hood November 14, 2010 at 11:50 am #

      Uhh, poor baby. Gotta do a little work…?! I thought you rightys LOVED work, and the grueling labor of independence. You’d want to, or need to, look it up anyway. Jeez you people are whiners!

  6. NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 14, 2010 at 7:48 am #

    Acid rain was nothing more than a trial balloon for the same kind of scientific scam that was global warming, and ozone depletion from CFC’s.

    • Rob N. Hood November 19, 2010 at 8:19 am #

      Oh, Riiiiight! I forgot about that….. duh me soooo dense.

  7. Rob N. Hood November 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    Wrong again Neil. Denial is no substitute for intelligence or being humbled by undesired facts.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 14, 2010 at 3:29 pm #

      “On Tuesday evening, July 25, Ned Potter of ABC News did a three-minute segment purporting to show how acid rain (caused by sulphur dioxide — SO2 — emissions from Midwestern utilities) was killing trees in Camel’s Hump Mountain in Vermont.
      Aerial photos showed a pattern of dead or dying tall spruce trees. We were informed acid rain was sterilizing the soil. An environmentalist guided us through the devastation. It was potent TV.
      It was also a hoax.
      When the Camel’s Hump story was first brought to national attention in Natural History magazine in 1982, soil scientists flocked to see it first hand. But, in order to examine the dead or dying trees, they had to fight their way up through a veritable jungle of healthy young red spruce trees and new growth.
      It was immediately clear there was nothing toxic about the soil. On closer examination, soil scientists from Yale, University of Pennsylvania and the U.S. Forest Service found the dead or dying trees had one thing in common: They all dated from before 1962. Trees started after that period were generally healthy.”

      Of course, I am human and am capable of being wrong, but not in this case.
      I am not going to argue with you about this, so this is my final word on the subjuct: IT’S ALL BS!!!!!!

  8. Corlyss November 15, 2010 at 2:20 am #

    Unfortunately, it really doesn’t matter what Morano or anyone else who’s labored to bring out the truth does or says.

    It’s no coincidence that this AGW junk science took wings just as the Soviet Union collapsed. Resourceful Marxists arount the world, who watched their ambitions for destroying Western economies and building a Socialis/Communist utopias go up in smoke, burrowed into the environmental movements as the next best alternative to realize their goals. In the intervening 20 years, they have coerced industries, bankrolled scientifically illiterate politicians and entire parties (like the Democrats in the US), written legislation for representatives too busy fund-raising to write the laws (much less research the issues), co-opted scientists and educators and media and foundations, and now control many of the policy organs that determine who gets money and what they can spend it on.

    The fact is that no matter how many scientists back out of the AGW propaganda clown car, no matter how many reports exist on the discrepancies between observed phenomena and the laughable climate models and projections, not a single government, university, or industry committed to ridiculous proposition that CO2 causes global weather and that people threaten the future of the planet by producing CO2 has decreased its funding. In fact I’d wager if a study were done, these organizations have all “doubled down” on their commitment to AGW’s existence, just as Obama is about to do by unleashing the EPA to produce what he couldn’t get thru Congress.

    Climategate might as well have never happened for all the good it has done to change the horribly expensive trajectory to economic suicide in the West in the name of “social justice.” Western nations seemed determined to prove their social responsibility by destroying their own prosperity.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 18, 2010 at 6:52 am #

      There is a lot of truth to what you are saying but I disagree to the notion that climategate might as well have never happened. It does matter that there are people who labor to bring out the truth! This is a war, and wars are won battle by battle. True this does not win the war, but the war is not won by sitting out the battles. Should we just sit back and let them take the field unopposed? No. Absolutely not!
      There may have a shielded heart, but we strike the body where it is exposed. We kick and scratch, bloody and bruise them. Stab and jab them. We may not be able to stab it throught the heart, but death by a thousand cuts is still death.
      So don’t be a weenie! I’ll have none of this defeatist additude! So, buck up!

      • Hal Groar November 18, 2010 at 9:48 pm #

        I also am not willing to give up. At some point the mere mention of climate change will bring snickers from the audience. It will be rejected faster then a pet rock. I think Corlyss has a point with it being en-grained into a University’s curriculum, but factual science will win out eventually and it will have to laid to rest as a crazy theory. When I say crazy, I mean CRAZY!

        • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 19, 2010 at 11:13 pm #

          Pet rock!!! I love it!!

    • Rob N. Hood November 19, 2010 at 8:22 am #

      Oh boy- now we hear from the oldy but moldy commie paranoids. Sheeesh. One can only shake his head and sigh deeply at the wacked out notions of some people. All the while they are openly being screwed by the corporate crooks who are NOT, I repeat NOT commies. Got that? Ok, good, now back to reality please.

      • Rob N. Hood November 19, 2010 at 8:26 am #

        Of course it (above) is probably and very likely a profesional propaganda piece that made it’s way here somehow. It has all the hallmarks of that. They (whoever) knew you’d eat it up and lick your chops for more.

  9. NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 16, 2010 at 8:44 pm #

    I think this is just the beginning. We are going to see more of this type of thing in the near future as more and more people find that the argument for AGW becomes more and more untennable. Because IT’S ALL BS!!!!!!!

  10. Hal Groar November 16, 2010 at 9:23 pm #

    I agree with you Neil, the climate disruption BS is fading fast. When are we going to see these scientists that are pro AGW (believers not proponents) debate the guys with the facts? I acknowledge the earlier one posted on this site, but I was hoping to see many more debates posted all over the net. I wanted to see colleges get into these debates. I think there might be a problem with cream pies at a college though. They are all about freedom of speech, as long as it agrees with their view. Naive college kids.

  11. paul wenum November 17, 2010 at 11:09 pm #

    Good read Neil, Thanks!

  12. Rob N. Hood November 19, 2010 at 8:28 am #

    For Hal – the guy’s name that plan crashed mysteriously is Michael Connell. The crash occurred 12-19-08.

  13. Rob N. Hood November 19, 2010 at 8:28 am #


  14. Rob N. Hood November 19, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    de plane Boss de plane

    • Hal Groar November 19, 2010 at 10:26 pm #

      HUH? You Ok Rob?

  15. paul wenum November 19, 2010 at 11:28 pm #

    He’s had a mental computer malfunction. The liberal server is down.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD November 21, 2010 at 6:56 am #

      was it ever up?

    • Hal Groar November 21, 2010 at 7:51 pm #

      Oh yes, I see. His hard drive picked up a Liberal Virus. It’s known as the “The government forgot to pay my electric bill” virus.

  16. Rob N. Hood November 22, 2010 at 3:33 pm #

    You wanted more info so I gave it to you. What’s up with your short term memory?

    Is that all you Rightys can do? Forget every thing of substance and take juvenile pot-shots whenever the opportunity arises?

  17. paul wenum November 23, 2010 at 12:23 am #

    We mimmick the opposition.

  18. Rob N. Hood November 23, 2010 at 8:46 am #

    Oh, right, of course…

    You and yours never really accept responsibility for anything. You thrive on blaming others for everything. Just as elitists do.

    • Hal Groar November 28, 2010 at 10:01 pm #

      On the contrary! I take full responsibility for mimmicking you. I might even take credit for a mimmick by someone else towards you. It is I! And will also be I in the future! Get used to it.

  19. RonnieR November 24, 2010 at 9:01 am #

    So Rob N Hood, you are suggesting that households earning $250,00 are “super rich” and that these individuals should be taxed at rates ranging from 50-91%? Given that you are obviously an underemployed, pot-smoking moonbat, who hasn’t earned $250,00 in the whole of your “working” life, this doesn’t surprise me. That said, $250,00/yr isn’t remotely close to the entry level in the “super rich” category.

  20. Jerk A. Knot November 30, 2010 at 4:02 pm #

    Well it is obvious to me that Rob N. Hood wants to take from the rich and give to the poor. Forgive me for stating the obvious. In the original Robin Hood was a low down Highway man that was eventually caught. The songs and stories greatly exaggerated his fame and standing. Much the same as the common left wing socialist that has co-opted his name here.
    Your Defense numbers are all wrong. I have no idea where you got them and if you did just cut and paste a few numbers then there is more than one imbecile in the world. As of December 31, 2009 1,421,668 people are on active duty in the military with an additional 848,000 people in the seven reserve components. The Civilian work force in the military grew when Clinton cashed in on the Peace dividend and shrunk the military to balance his spending. Where the money is spent in the military is to keep the technical edge a lean Army needs to fight and win against a larger Army. Generals call that “force multipliers”. If you can come out of your pot induced stupor please focus on 2003. One Army Division reinforced with a Marine Expeditionary Force sliced threw 10 Divisions of a technologically inferior force. That is what we are paying for. Defense is like insurance. You grip about paying for it till you need it. I will agree with you though we should stop spending any money in Iraq. They have Plenty of Oil revenue and can afford much more than they are paying for.
    Now for your stupid tax Rant….. No never mind you can not possibly understand economics when you can’t even get simple numbers of personnel correct. It is not worth my time.
    You Quoted a source with 2005 numbers…… .

  21. Rob N. Hood November 30, 2010 at 4:10 pm #

    Hal taking over for Paul. Tear… drop…falling…on …keyboard. Sigh…. Such brotherly love…

    Ronnie- a quarter grand a year is pretty serious cake, is it not? Maybe not to you, but to me it is. Must be nice to be an elitie super-rich dude like yourself. And where did you get those tax percentages from, Ruch Limbaugh? Not from me that’s for sure. Anyway, to enlighten you I have a Master’s degree and work two jobs to support a very modest (that is to say fairly crappy) lifestyle, and very small family. So shove your stupid off the cuff crystal ball ideas about me or anyone else for that matter.

    • Jerk A. Knot December 1, 2010 at 11:04 am #

      What is your masters in?? I am sure it is in a liberal arts discipline. Why don’t you answer his question?
      You really need to spend some time on the CBO web site. Try reading the “Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output From July 2010 Through September 2010” report. That may be too complicated for you and there is a nice Power Point summary available. Hear is the deal. The CBO tells us that we are in a mild recovery. That people are saving more because of the uncertain times. The solution is a 2 pronged effort. First maintain the current levels at a small upfront cost. Second cut spending for long term success. The CBO in other reports tell us about how our Tax rates on industry are now the second highest in the world. And the LIBS wonder why are all these U.S. companies out sourcing?. HUMMM take an economics class and figure it out. To compound the issue ounce a company like Dell has out sourced labor and makes money off of it they pay taxes to the country where they have that income. Will they bring that money home? Nope why pay another tax on it when they can just grow where it was earned. That is why Kellogg Brown and Root moved there international headquarters out of the US to Dubai. Lower taxes. That is why so many “Super Rich” guys are leaving the US. Lower taxes. When they leave they take JOBS with them. BIG COMPANIES make money and higher lots of people. Small Companies feed off the Big companies. Who do they feed off of when they leave. Welfare….The Brest milk of the taxpayer. Keep it up and the milk will dry up and you wont be able to make 16K to feed your kids on.

  22. Rob N. Hood December 2, 2010 at 3:53 pm #

    As usual you and yours cannot see the forest for the trees. So you’d rather cut them down, and still you’d be blind. You think you’ve done your homework and that you’re a bright pupil, but you’re not. You are a swallower of whatever right-wing propaganda suits your stunted imagination.

    You’ve got all the correct and up to date numbers do you? Really? oh wow, excuse me while I bow to your infinite wisdom.

  23. Rob N. Hood December 3, 2010 at 10:34 am #

    And I did answer R’s question.

  24. paul wenum December 3, 2010 at 11:37 pm #

    It’s apparent that R. Hood, as some others, has no idea about outsourcing nor cost/benefit/reward. I know it well, I fight against competition daily that outsources to foreign companies. The bane of America thanks to unions and the liberals that turf protect. You can only protect your turf until there is no grass growing. As of today, we need some fertilizer called jobs as well as understanding that we as employers cannot afford to pay salaries against competitive forces overseas. (Thanks Unions) The public, unfortunately does not understand what a connundrum employees in this era are in for now and in the future. Our economy is at risk major for the average working person like you and I. My God, I hope we change our mind-set!

    • Rob N. Hood December 7, 2010 at 8:26 am #

      Outsource this: $170,200,000,000 is the low estimate for the cost of making and operating the Trident Submarines, each carrying the destrucive power of 4,000 Hiroshimas. How many students could have their tuition covered if the US wasn’t wasting so much on the military?
      We could afford a lot ot good things if we cut down our very bloated and crooked military procurements. But hey what the heck, let’s just snarl and bite each other for the crumbs the elite throw to us like a bunch of rabid dogs. Yeah, that’s a good idea… huh guys?

      • Jerk A. Knot December 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

        Wow you seem to have forgotten a small piece of fact… that the cost figure is thru 2042 also this fact from the fact sheet you got this from
        “Naval Submarine Base Kitsap-Bangor is located 20 miles west of Seattle on the deep waters of Hood Canal in Washington State. It is the home to the largest single stockpile of nuclear warheads in the U.S. arsenal, housing more than 2,000 nuclear warheads. This is approximately 24% of the entire U.S. arsenal. The Bangor Base presently houses more nuclear warheads than the countries of England, France, China, Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea combined. ”

        The rule today is overwhelming desruction. The ability to strike and obliterate anyone who launches against us. The Missile Defence “Shield” is only able to stop a rouge nation Threat. Fear of total destruction is the only defense we have against any threat that can launch more than we can stop. That is just about every one of them. I noticed Russia was not on the list. Hummm why not?????

  25. Jerk A. Knot December 6, 2010 at 11:46 am #

    No you did not. You jabbered. Do you want people who make over $250k and over to pay a 50% tax rate? Just be honest and say that you do and give your reasons for that. The Company I work for is a company that makes about $500K a year profit and grows by reinvesting that money. We pay in the 40% range. We are going to have to lay off people if the current rates go up (or are not extended) to keep our margins up because in this economy work is scarce. Have you ever had to lay someone off. It makes me sick to the stomach to even think of it. No we will not fold because we are solid but we also won’t grow and we will have to shrink some to manage the losses. I am a righty and every day I wonder where the compassion is for people who lose there jog due to LIBS passing laws that take the money out of the pockets that pay the salaries of the masses.

  26. Rob N. Hood December 6, 2010 at 3:12 pm #

    Sure, blame the very people who are getting hurt the most. That’s real original- NOT.

    Learn about Neo-Liberalism. That might be a good start.

    • Jerk A. Knot December 7, 2010 at 2:46 pm #

      LOL … There is nothing “new” about economic Liberalism. Trust me I have read plenty. It has been around a long time and there are 10 basic principals. and everything I said above is in line with those principals. Ie, less regulation, mild taxes, a Wider tax base, Property rights… the list goes on and on. Neo-liberalism is really more like Regan conservatism than anything the present Administration puts forward. It is polar opposite to the Socialist agenda that the modern day Democrat espouses to.
      Now tell me where I blamed the people getting hurt the most? In fact I blame the social justice Democrat that thinks it is a good Idea to raise taxes (or let a tax cut expire) right now. You see the Left needs people dependant on the Government. I want my children to grow up wanting to be an employee or owner of a private sector business. That is what I want for every American. The Federal Government should be serving us not the other way around.

  27. Rob N. Hood December 12, 2010 at 8:50 am #

    Weird logic you are using there. But that’s par for the course around here. Plus here’s a great new one: “Private business for EVERY American”. Really? Like that’s: 1. Possible (in reality). 2. You seem to believe/assume that is what every American wants. 3. Everything is not about YOU. Oh wait- you are a Righty…. EVERYTHING is about YOU. Sorry I forget that sometimes.

  28. Rob N. Hood December 12, 2010 at 8:55 am #

    BTW, Obama is a neo-Liberal, and so is 99% of all our politicians, both sides of the aisle. As was Clinton, Bush I/II, and Reagan of course. Probably even Jimmy Carter was. But I’d have to study his Admin. history a bit more to be 100% sure about that. But knowing what I know I would bet money that he was too. But if we would have followed his lead on Energy we would be a much stronger country today.

  29. paul wenum December 12, 2010 at 6:35 pm #

    If you studied business and how you start one, they function, and run one instead of looking up previous administrations to prove an alleged liberal point you may well understand why the employer is not the devil from hell that you seem to suggest. Your posts as to business are childish at best. Every American has the ability to start and operate their own business. The difference is the ones that want to and the ones that do. There is as difference. It’s called taking a risk and discipline for which I take it you may be sorely lacking? Sounds like it to me. Simple observation.

    • Jerk A. Knot December 13, 2010 at 1:10 pm #

      As you well know it taks a set of BRASS… when you know … to put your live savings into a company and fight tooth and nail to make it work…. I was never more scared than my first year as we did not even break even. We kept at it and had a 10% profit margin the next year. We have done better since then and have really grown. We made sone good money last year but it is les than the our banner year the year before. Over $50mil moved threw our company. 85% of it has been spent on employees, Materials, and facilities. What Rob Does not understand is that not only does my Company creat jobs for our employees. We creat Jobs for the people we buy materials and services from. Rob on the other hand want to crucify me because I am “Ultra Rich”… Paul we are the ones that make his Government Handout possiable.

  30. Rob N. Hood December 13, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    Your real enemy is not me- it is the large corporations and their overwhelming power and greed. The biggest govt. handouts are to them….always. Wake up!

  31. paul wenum December 13, 2010 at 6:19 pm #

    Sir Knot,

    My first year was the same. Zero clients, limited resources and to this day I think about that every morning. He who gets fat and happy will lose his/her business. Never take your eye off the goal. You are correct, business fuels the economy not government. Without a profitable business, small, medium or large, businesses create wealth for not only the owners, stockholders but employees as well. Well paid employees spend money, employers purchase from vendors etc. Government does not create wealth, it takes it. By the way, small companies do turn into “large corporations” i.e., Microsoft, Ford, for a couple of examples. I believe the previous author and his posts has some growing to do and must get a chip off his shoulder.

  32. Rob N. Hood December 14, 2010 at 8:41 am #

    Paul- I am so very tired of correcting your comments about what I write. I did not and have never said anything about small companies being bad if they grow large. That statement is just another silly red herring, which you like to do all the time. It adds nothing to the debate other than to make me appear out of touch or whatever.

    As a small business owner you should be smarter to know that it is you who could be preyed upon, not by GOVT. but by larger corps. How? Well other than outright underselling, ala Walmart for example, the tax codes are dictated to our “Public Servants” in Govt. who are bought and paid for by LARGE Corporations, most of whom now are Global and not even American. The tax codes are HEAVILY in their favor, not yours, and not even mine either!!!

    It is you who needs to grow up and wake up.

    • Dan McGrath December 15, 2010 at 2:37 pm #

      Well… If small companies are good and big corporations are bad, then it stands to reason that a small company that grows and becomes big (therefore a successful company) also becomes bad. All (or very nearly all) companies start small.

      Maybe you just like unsuccessful companies?

  33. Rob N. Hood December 16, 2010 at 4:18 pm #

    Not what I said. But it is basically a truism… so what? It is like comparing apples to oranges. Plus I didn’t say ALL large companies were bad. What I do say is all multi-national companies are bad. Or at least I would assume so, based on what I know about them. But one shouldn’t use the word ALL or ALWAYS should one??

  34. Jerk A. Knot December 17, 2010 at 12:50 pm #

    HI Guys!!! I have been traveling and securing some buisness before Christmas gets here. I had a great trip.


    “Your real enemy is not me- it is the large corporations and their overwhelming power and greed. The biggest govt. handouts are to them….always. Wake up!”
    I am awake.
    In your Quote. “All” is assumed in this statement because you did not Quantify that only some are. If I were to say something like “Martians are green” everyone would assume they are all green. By phrasing what you wrote the way you did you created the impression that ALL large corporations are my enemy and are driven by greed. I am not about to sit here and say that there are no greedy corporations out there. I am going to say this. My goal is to have some big huge corporation come in and buy me and my partners out one day so that I can retire and live an easier life than my Dad did. Also so that I can set it up for my kids to live an easier life than me. I make a lot of money doing Sub work for large corporations. They are most defiantly my friends. (in as much as any businesses can be friends) I am also going to say this. Stop you crying about us not understanding and take the time to logically think over what you want to say. Then type it in a logical, clear, understandable format that is not vague. You will be less frustrated with us and we with you

    • Rob N. Hood December 25, 2010 at 9:00 am #

      You are the ones who cry mostly, all the way to the bank. That is waht is illogical. Except that you are afraid of taxes. If I was “rich” I might be too. But I wouldn’t cry about it while I was also getting rich. You are just a typical human who is out for himself. It’s nothing new. But what is new, in the last 30 years or so, is the mentality of greed, and lack of community mindededness. I am not blaming you exactly, just pointing out the sad reality of this change in our country.

      And I am so very sorry for being “vague” (btw I totally disagree with that accusation, I am no more vague at times that anyone else) and I’m so very sorry for not correcting all of my typos, etc. before hitting send. Please forgive me Oh Perfect-One. I will try harder to please you sir.

  35. paul wenum December 17, 2010 at 8:26 pm #

    Thank you Sir Knot. Welcome back. Hope you closed on a ton of new core business.

  36. GRAMMI December 17, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    Global Warming is a scam. The volcanoes erupting have more effect on the weather then us all breathing and living here at this time . Do you know that the EPA is SUING UTILITY COMPANIES since the CAP AND TRADE FAILED just like IT WAS THREATENED TO DO IF SOMEONE DID NOT GET HIS BILL PASSED. I don’t understand why anyone would think big corporations are good when they are poisoning us and getting away with it . I don’t know which is worse ,the big corps or the corrupt government they run with all their money. One of you said something about not being forced to buy anything but insurance well sir if, I had the money I would eat organic exclusively ,but, I don’t so I am forced to pay money for calories that are poison GMO, HFC in everything meat tainted with GMO products through feeding. My grandchildren have been raised on this trash and I knew nothing about it until I got on the internet 5 years ago;1 had life threatening asthma attacks until I researched for something besides life threatening DRUGS that were not working the boy is now on OTCs for his condition,another has CROHN’S disease and could of died bleeding out both ends and the meds given did nothing but make it worse on OTCs ,another is pre diabetic thanks GMO HFCs won’t listen thinks she learned everything is OK in school . Just who are they who are hiding the facts on the simple things we eat that are making us sick is it the FDA ,MONSANTO big DRUG companies .Who are they that are trying to rule our pocket books by attempting time and again to keep SUPPLEMENTS out of our hands so we go to the DOCTOR to get prescriptions that control but do not ever cure disease except for BACTERIAL. NOW the FDA IS going to get even more control of our food and supplements if any part of the new FOOD AND SAFETY MODERNIZATION ACT is passed and they have such a great record for keeping bad food from getting in the system don’t they. HAVE YOU CONTACTED YOUR REPRESENTATIVES do they know where you stand and who you stand with????? I AM ANTI COMMUNIST, ANTI BIG GOVERNMENT, ANTI MILITARY ,ANTI WAR,. The FDA said point blank we we we we DO NOT NOT NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT WE EAT. The USDA is invading organic farms,co ops confiscating property and not returning it when they do not come up with anything to charge the people with and who would they be doing all this for ????????????????????????? Certainly business is about making money but at the CUSTOMERS EXPENSE not just the money but our health, isn’t that a bit more than unethical, immoral and down right EVIL??????????? UNIONS UNIONS WERE GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE that doesn’t mean i’m a communist. BIG AGRI- BUSINESS and CORPORATIONS in this area killed the UNIONS effectiveness in this town starting in the 70’s by building housing behind their plant and IMPORTING FOREIGNERS , these HISPANIC FOREIGNERS DID NOT HAVE TO CROSS the PICKET LINES DID NOT HAVE TO BE CITIZENS OF THE USA OR PROVIDE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION TO GET HERE. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS TO BE::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: WILLING TO DO THE JOBS US USA CITIZENS WERE NOT WILLING TO DO:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: BULL HUNKY THIS SAME COMPANY WAS CITED FOR MAJOR OSHA VIOLATIONS AND HAD TO PAY A FINE WHICH THEY FINAGLED THEIR WAY OUT OF MOST OF IT AND DID ONE EVEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE HURT BY THIS COMPANY GET COMPENSATED?????????? YOU KNOW THE ANSWER ONLY THE GOVERNMENT COLLECTED ANY MONETARY REIMBURSEMENT . ”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’ FORCED HEALTHCARE REFORM IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO KILL SMALL BUSINESS AND WHO IS GOING TO PROFIT FROM THAT ?????NOT LIKELY THE PEOPLE::::::::::::::::: CANADA’s HEALTHCARE:::::::::: WAITING LIST:::::::::: IS GETTING LONGER,,,,,, TITLE OF AN ARTICLE READ TODAY. OH ANOTHER THING I’M ANGRY ABOUT REMEMBER THE 2 CHILD POLICY:::::::WELL WE DID IT AND THEN INSTEAD OF HAVING A BETTER FUTURE NOW MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WITH FOREIGNERS LEGAL AND ILLEGAL AT EVERY TURN I AM GENERALLY NOT IN TOLERANT AND MY FAMILY IS INTEGRATED I AM COLOR BLIND THE USA AS A GOVERNMENT AND AS A PEOPLE IN CHARITABLE MATTERS HAVE BEEN THE MOST GENEROUS NATION ON THIS EARTH BUT IF THESE PEOPLE WANT WHAT WE HAD THEY NEEDED TO DO WHAT OUR NATIONS FOUNDERS DID AND LOOK TO FREEDOM FROM DOMINATION AND START WITH THE SAME FORM OF GOVERNMENT THEY DID NOT COMMUNISM, DEMOCRACY, SOCIALISM,FASCISM,DICTATORSHIP OR RELIGION BASED GOVERNMENTS AND THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT IN THEIR LANDS ,,,,,,,,,, I AM FIGHTING THIS CORRUPTION THE ONLY WAY I CAN WITH MY MOUTH OR WORDS IF I WAS YOUNGER I WOULD BE GETTING READY TO FIGHT PHYSICALLY BECAUSE AS IN THE REST OF THE WORLD IT’S COMING HERE…. YOU ALL CAN CALL EACH OTHER NAMES JUMP ON EACH OTHER FOR THE WAY SOMETHING WAS SAID BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE A THING……. NOW…………………… IF YOU HAVEN’T EMAIL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES FAX THEM FREE FAXES (GOOGLE IT) CALL THEM AND START FIGHTING THIS CORRUPTION BECAUSE IT IS RAMPANT. I JUST CAME TO THIS SITE TO CHECK UP ON THE LATEST TRUTH IN THE SCAM DEBUNKING

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    • Jerk A. Knot December 20, 2010 at 10:14 am #

      WOOO WEEEEEE…. That was a humm dinger there Grammi. You told us all that was wrong. Gan you name anything right? I also suggest that you start a garden. Fresh Vegies and fruits are wonderfull.

  37. paul wenum December 19, 2010 at 11:19 pm #


    Thanks for your post. Suggest that you change your diet as others do. I can relate to asthma it is genetic in my family. As to your problems with the EPA. Suggest you call/write/email your representative. Good luck. Seems that you may need it. Finally, climate changis is natural, period. If you look back to posts in 2000 in the UK the children would never see snow again and would have to watch movies from the past. Now they have the worst snow since recorded time. In 1975 we were told by sciencetists that we were going into the cold period. Which is it? Suggest you look out the window when you get up in the morning. Now that’s called your daily forcast. That’s what they do in Alaska. Good luck.

  38. Rob N. Hood December 25, 2010 at 9:06 am #

    What Gammi is saying, other than perhaps the AGW part, is pretty accurate. It is bascially what I’ve been saying. Large Corporation, many of which are country-less (Multi-national) have only one thing in mind- profits. The do not care about ANYTHING else. And they are practically running all of the world’s goverments, or trying to. And yes it is DISTURBING, and we all need to become more educated about it.

  39. paul wenum December 29, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    Profits are good. That’s how YOU get a raise. Absent profit, you are layed off. Do you understand? So simple it makes me sick answering a simple question that any grade school child should know.

  40. Rob N. Hood January 1, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

    You miss the point as usual. Your answer however highlights the grade school level of thinking many on the Right are capable of. Can not a small or middle sized company earn a profit? Yes. I’m all for it, in fact. You are correct, about that part but you leave out TONS of other details and admissions that large Corporations are NOT needed for your utopia… which is in fact a Dystopia. Why do you continually fail to SEE that I am questioning the wisdom of bowing down religiously to the Large multi-nationals??? Why is that Paul? Can you answer that? Perhaps I can…

    A study at University College London in the UK has found that conservatives’ brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other “primitive” emotions. At the same time, conservatives’ brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate — the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism

    • Jerk A. Knot January 3, 2011 at 11:27 am #


      The same article related “In a study published in October, researchers at Harvard and UC-San Diego found that a variant of the DRD4 gene predisposes people to being liberal” and also “If the study is confirmed, it could give us the first medical explanation for why conservatives tend to be more receptive to threats of terrorism, for example, than liberals. And it may help to explain why conservatives like to plan based on the worst-case scenario, while liberals tend towards rosier outlooks.”

      The study is not final or even confirmed. I guess that all conservatives are now to be segregated because we are “primitive” and should be locked away.

      I do believe there is probably some merit to this story. As I have watched the sisyification of our country the number of liberals has grown. They would have never survived the “primitive” days.

  41. paul wenum January 2, 2011 at 9:52 pm #

    There is no reason for a response. Your points are taken at face value which are not worth a grain of salt.

  42. BeeGee January 3, 2011 at 9:37 am #

    Global Warming is a scam and a hoax!

    I also believe that it is being pushed by large multi-national corporations. It’s a way for them to make more money and redistribute wealth from the wealthy nations to poorer nations. IMHO, it’s all about the revenue stream.

    Good example… the CFL light bulbs. This law really makes no sense. We’ll save energy by dumping tons of mercury into our landfills? Who will be one of the biggest profiteers of the new bulbs… GE.

    If we start building more mass transit who will be the biggest profiteer… GE!

    Don’t bite my head off… it’s just my opinion.

  43. paul wenum January 3, 2011 at 9:28 pm #

    BeeGee, it is always about money. Look at Al Gore, Hansen et al. What is a carbon credit? You cannot touch it, feel it, other than exhale it and they want you to pay for a carbon credit on your consumption/footprint? Now that is the biggest scam in the history of the world. We would never live as well as plants without it. My God, I should have thought about this scam years ago. That said, probably would have been indicted and serving major time with Madoff. Madoff will be a minor figure Gore and his minions pull this scam off on a worldwide basis. Is this his way to get back after the 2000 election? Just a thought. You are right on some corporations such as GE. Only my unbiased opinion. Take it for what it’s worth.

  44. Nelson March 28, 2011 at 11:06 pm #

    Antropogenic Global Warming is not a phenomenon it is a political class project perpetrated by Corporations and ithe conservative nvestor class. I’m a Marxist Socialist and I am certain that AGW is designed to enrich Big Oil (the are heavily invested in the alternative energy industry) and the Nuclear Energy Inudstry. The US has the licenses to build a mulititude of Power Plants around the world. It is also a way to introduce another speculative financial derivative ponzi scheme in the form of Carbon Credits. It’s going to be a 10 trillion dollar global fictitious capital market. Al Gore, as a senator in Arkansas, was a friend to the Nuclear Industry and he and Clinton still have financial ties to the sucess of Nuclear and it’s deendence on the AGW myth to push the Nuclear agenda foward.

    Conservatives think it’s a “big government” scheme, Leftists think it’s caused by Capitalist Industry. They are both wrong. IT DOESN’T EXIST. It’s npt the same as pollution!

    There is a large number a large number of high caliber scientists that refute the AGW theory. AGW is “offical science.” The head of the IPCC is a board member of Tata energy, the biiggest energy firm in India. IPCC only advances Coporate for profit interests.

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