42 Responses to Christmas in Copenhagen

  1. Julle B December 19, 2009 at 4:12 pm #


    Public attention for ‘Global Warming’ was measured as peaking sometime during 2006 and has decline steadily since.
    Then the worldwide financial crisis really focused people on a hard concrete reality.
    More recently came ClimateGate blowing the lid off the scam for all to see.
    Followed by Gore & Greenpeace admitting that their outrageous claim that ‘the Artic would be completely ice free within 5-7 years’ wasn’t now going to be happening (big surpise).

    Finally, this week we have witnessed the final coup de grace – the UN led chaos of the Copenhägen COP15 debacle bitterly disillussioning even the most ardent ‘believers’ as the ‘moment’ and the ‘momentum’ is lost.
    It’s GAMEOVER…never again will this swindle, this lie be able to stupify the masses, delude the collective consciousness and put our capricious politicians in such a pathetic spin. (until the next time…the next scam).

    So an early Xmas present…we can go back to worrying about the whales, the sharks, the Amazon and real pollution; conserve our resources and put our time and tax dollars into mitigating inevitable extreme weather events- for now & the future.

    The tide has turned.
    How will history come to judge this ridiculous chapter of human behaviour? Cringingly….and we will bow to acknowledge Helios in the heavens…

  2. Neil F. AGWD/BSD December 19, 2009 at 8:57 pm #

    So stupid it was funny!

    • Rob N. Hood January 4, 2010 at 3:31 pm #

      I guess you righty’s have a pretty lame sense of humor. Simplistic slap-stick (with no dialogue or even one actual WORD) and a snowball to the groin. Very un-funny. Even the Three Stooges could talk.

  3. paul wenum December 19, 2009 at 9:18 pm #

    Well said. Done for now.

  4. paul wenum December 20, 2009 at 1:17 am #

    Neil, Now devote your time on Cap N trade. The American voters have figured that the ponzi scheme regarding “climate change” is falling like a deck of cards. On to the the next more pressing issue.

  5. Rob N. Hood December 20, 2009 at 9:32 pm #

    No worries. Except that you may be wrong (heaven forbid!!). Oh well, it’s just a planet. No big deal.

    The richest global elite want/need a significant reduction in population anyway, to insure that they have enough resources to keep them in the black for generations to come. All the while their spawn become the rulers of what is left over from us proles. So, hats off to you, indeed. Another fascist victory. Don’t you ever tire of winning? I wouldn’t either. Must be nice.

    • Neil F. AGWD/BSD December 27, 2009 at 10:53 pm #

      Rob what are you responding to here? All I said about this stupid little film was that it was so stupid it was funny.

      • Rob N. Hood January 4, 2010 at 3:32 pm #

        The post directly above it, of course. Need glasses?

  6. Don Draper December 21, 2009 at 5:02 am #

    Want our population to stave to death? Take away our energy and see how well we can make food. Take a look at fascism/socialism/communism and you will see a history of deliberately killing people.

    How brainwashed are you? You got the whole thing backwards. You are right about the fascism part, but it is both the democrats and republicans who have set up this fascist state that we live in.

    The only way we can have a serious debate is to have accurate data from which to make decision.

    • Rob N. Hood December 22, 2009 at 8:20 am #

      Don you haven’t been paying attention- I agree, it is both Dems and Repubs (thus our entire political process) that is the problem. So no, I don’t have it backwards. I was just commenting on a certain minority in our population that has a very loud voice and uses fear, etc. to get what it wants. I.e. the elite, and the sheeple they get to do much of their “leg-work” for them. That’s all.

  7. paul wenum December 21, 2009 at 11:15 pm #

    Don, we are energy efficient! Unfortunately the public does not know, and the opposition will not let us extract it. Thank God I know how to live off the land. Thank God for the “Boys Scouts” and other training I’ve had in the past. I hope I never need it. Vote in 2010 Don and get the bums out and if they are Republicans vote them out as well. As to Rob, he’s a nice guy, just thinks to deep. He will eventually see reality of life versus reading a book on theory.

  8. Rob N. Hood December 22, 2009 at 8:24 am #

    Pual, thanks for the kind words. Really. But the powers that be are already jockeying to drill for oil under the northwest passage as soon as it melts for good. And this administration has allowed exploratory drilling on the coast of Alaska, somewhere, I forget exactly where. The Bering Sea? Anyway, business as usual for the oil companies has not, and will not stop. They get what they want in the end. They always have and probably always will. I wouldn’t worry about them so much… I think they’re doing just FINE. Maybe you could send them a Christmas card. They might like that too.

  9. paul wenum December 23, 2009 at 11:58 pm #

    “Merry Christmas.” I have better things to do such as Christmas services tomorrow evening. I will leave you in your untrained thoughts as I’m with family and friends. Our Military friends would love to get a card. Have you sent one? I have. “Merry Christmas.!”

  10. Rob N. Hood December 24, 2009 at 10:38 pm #

    No I haven’t. I don’t believe in the military industrial complex. They have ripped us off for more than even the banksters, over the last 30 years. Invading and killing foreigners isn’t my idea of Christian practice. WWJD… eh?

  11. paul wenum December 24, 2009 at 11:54 pm #

    My thoughts and prays go to the one’s that you have dishonored. “Merry Christmas to all” that defend America! You are all the true heroes!! Then, there are people that think otherwise, read the idiot comments before me!! “Merry Christmas” to everyone in the military. Some of my friends sons/daughters are there now!!! Take care and our prayers are always with you.

  12. Rob N. Hood December 25, 2009 at 8:30 pm #

    Yes, and hopefully they won’t return too disabled either physically or mentally or both. And there’s only one way to insure that 100%. Don’t send them/let them go, in the first place. Gee, what a concept eh?! I “dishonor” no one, but you perhaps. I find it my duty as a sane person to do so.

  13. paul wenum December 25, 2009 at 9:53 pm #

    You would rather give your keys to a burglar and then apologize for the inconvenience. True left wing liberal. Sad.

  14. Rob N. Hood December 25, 2009 at 10:37 pm #


    The U.S. spends more for war annually than all state governments combined spend for the health, education, welfare, and safety of 308 million Americans.

    Joseph Henchman, director of state projects for the Tax Foundation of Washington, D.C., says the states collected a total of $781 billion in taxes in 2008.

    For a rough comparison, according to Wikipedia data, the total budget for what the Pentagon calls “defense” in fiscal year 2010 will be at least $880 billion and could possibly top $1 trillion. That’s more than all the state governments collect.

  15. Rob N. Hood December 26, 2009 at 4:43 pm #

    The Defense Department estimates it will save an average of $44,000 a year for every contractor it replaces with full-time federal personnel to perform critical defense jobs, according to the House-Senate conference report on the fiscal 2010 defense appropriation bill.

    The measure, which passed Congress on Saturday, contains $5 billion to hire replacements for contractors currently performing what have been termed “inherently government functions” both at home and abroad. Those functions include a wide range of activities, from supervising other contractors who provide guard services at forward operating bases, to providing oversight of aid projects overseas.

    The Bush administration widely expanded the use of contractors following the invasion of Iraq. At the time, officials argued that the Pentagon and other agencies had to staff up quickly; the war was seen as a limited operation that would end quickly, without the need to either increase the size of the military or the ranks of civilian employees.

    The aim was also to save money, but last year Congress reported that contract employees were each costing the government an average of $250,000 annually, an amount far in excess of what federal employees or military personnel were paid.

  16. paul wenum December 26, 2009 at 10:56 pm #

    Liberty/safety is “Priceless.”

  17. Rob N. Hood December 27, 2009 at 9:31 am #

    So is the illusion of threats. You are aware are you not that the USSR imploded because (mostly) of massive military spending. We are doing the same thing to our good ol’ US of A. It could thus be argued that I and others of my ilk are actually the ones trying to save this country, while your ilk are programmed robots.

  18. Paul Wenum December 27, 2009 at 9:03 pm #

    Make that asinine comment to a person in the military that covers your arse 24/7 that gives you the “freedom/ability” to say what you just expoused!! Friends of mine have sons and daughters fighting for you. I assume that you would have loved to me on that flight from Amsterdam to Detriot? I’ve been to Ambsterdam numerous times. Not good security. America is not programming robots, America is training people to protect you, untrained idiot! You have no idea what sacrifice means, do you.

  19. Paul Wenum December 27, 2009 at 9:04 pm #

    Make that asinine comment to a person in the military that covers your arse 24/7 that gives you the “freedom/ability” to say what you just espoused!! Friends of mine have sons and daughters fighting for you. I assume that you would have loved to me on that flight from Amsterdam to Detriot? I’ve been to Amsterdam numerous times. Not good security. America is not programming robots, America is training people to protect you, untrained idiot! You have no idea what sacrifice means, do you.

  20. Neil F. AGWD/BSD December 27, 2009 at 11:28 pm #

    Rob did you know that the Federal govt. spends more on pensions than they do on national defense? You have a lot of facts Rob, but I think you have a fuzzy time with putting things into context. Take the war in Iraq for example. I know you are against it, but what would be going on right now if we did not go? Have you ever asked yourself that? I doubt it. Well I’ll tell you. Saddam Hussein would still be in power, would still be working on a chemical weapons program, would still be working on getting a nuke. He would still be killing his own people, wisking some away in the middle of the night by secret police to never be heard from again. He would still be firing upon NATO aircraft patrolling the UN established no-fly zones. He would also be still violating all of the UN sanctions imposed upon him, and all of the terms of the UN resolution that ended the first Gulf War.
    Now I know that you think it was all about oil, but we won. Where is the oil?
    The US military freed those people from a tyrant and they deserve our respect, and support. Let me ask you this. Is the world better off without Saddam Hussein? I think so, in my opinion the US military has made the world a better place by doing so.

  21. Paul Wenum December 28, 2009 at 9:11 pm #

    Thank you Neil. Welcome back.

  22. Rob N. Hood December 30, 2009 at 8:32 am #

    Neil, I don’t believe your assertion re: pensions. Sorry. And nobody is out there fighting for me, or even you. They/”we” are in the middle east fighting for oil, and for pipeline territory, plain and simple- even people in the Bush Admin admitted that- and it’s plain as day anyway. And you can add all that cost to the price of oil, including the incalculable price of the dead and permanently disabled (so how much does all that make a gallon of gas, huh?). Arm-chair warriors like you guys make me ill. All your “facts” about that and Iraq/Saddam/WMD’s are very fuzzy indeed, and wrong, mostly too. If you are so gung-ho why don’t you go over there and put your ass where your mouth is.

  23. Rob N. Hood December 30, 2009 at 8:41 am #

    And even if it is true that pensions cost all of us more than military/war, what would be wrong with that? Do you really want your country to be mostly based on war/military?? Really?? Do you know what people do with their pensions? They buy groceries, spend it locally, pay their mortgages, etc. etc. In other words they help keep the economy, especially local economies, going. Is that really a bad thing Neil, really? Do you know where the military $ goes? To the elite, except for some jobs here and there of course. You guys really get things backwards. But that’s what you do, you exist in an opposite parallel universe, basically.

    • Dan McGrath December 30, 2009 at 10:45 am #

      There is waste fraud and corruption in all segments of government spending (which is one reason smaller government would be better). That said, if the federal government was only going to spend money on one thing, my vote would go for defense. It’s a dangerous world out there. Ours is one of few free nations on earth (don’t know how much longer we’ll be able to say that). Keeping it that way will cost.

  24. Rob N. Hood December 30, 2009 at 10:55 am #

    The CIA and US war policies have created more terrorists than the elusive Osama (who by the way worked for the CIA, and if still alive most likely still does). You people are hopelessly naive and extremely susceptible to propaganda. REad this re: the latest “terrorist” attack (what a joke…there is NO al-Qaeda, it is a creation of the CIA):

    It seems no mistake that the intensification of war propaganda directed against Yemen comes at a time when the American public (and indeed, the people of the world) are becoming increasingly disenchanted with the war on Afghanistan, in particular Mr. Obama’s escalation. What better way to buttress public opinion in favor of the war on Afghanistan than a new war? What better way to whip up public sentiment for a new war than another ostensible terrorist attack, and on arguably the most important holiday of the American calendar? Keep in mind the well documented connection between the CIA and al-Qaeda, or the fact that two senior Senators have already come out in favor of pre-emptive strikes on Yemen as you ponder these questions.

    In the final analysis, it doesn’t much matter. “Havoc!” has been cried, and the hounds of war have slipped loose. The American military-intelligence community (and its cheerleaders in the ostensibly “left” press) has decided that we will have perpetual war, and perpetual war is what we shall have. There is literally no way of ending this war without bringing down the system that makes war profitable and preferable to the tiny layer of socio-economic elites who rule over the planet.

  25. Paul Wenum December 30, 2009 at 10:50 pm #

    Take flight out of Yemen my friend.

  26. Rob N. Hood January 1, 2010 at 10:51 pm #

    Comrade, you forget- I am based in the Kremlin, with plenty of choice Vodka and Beluga caviar. Not to mention those Cuban cigars…

  27. Paul Wenum January 2, 2010 at 10:20 pm #

    My close friend is going back to Afganistan/pakistan for his fifth tour and works for the CIA. They just took out seven of his “comrades”. You repulse me with your asinine comments. Enjoy your pleasures my friend as my friend defends your right to smoke and enjoy that cigar!

  28. Rob N. Hood January 3, 2010 at 5:36 am #

    They were CIA assassins most likely. And they Do Not represent me. What were they doing there, selling flowers? There are what… 100 al-Qeada in Afghanistan? Spare me your pro-war fascist propaganda, please. Even if your CIA friends are able to keep the price of oil down, for awhile, they will still not have my support. Call me a traitor, or whatever. I believe our previous leader was a traitor. And the current one as well unless he ends the insanity of these wars soon.

  29. Paul Wenum January 3, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    Enjoy your freedom for as long as you can. Hope you have a defender when you really need one. Oh, that’s right there was no 911. Today’s wars fought are not like anything ever seen before in history. The enemy could well be your friend. There are no uniforms, there are some that are presently with us if you like it or not. That my friend is reality. Global Warming will be the last thing on your convaluted mind if they get their way. Ask our President after discussing the plane situation with the CIA. You have no idea how critical they are to our security that we take so much for granted. I’m flying off next weekend and I EXPECT to get checked through secuity as well as profiled and it’s about damn time.!

  30. Rob N. Hood January 4, 2010 at 8:52 am #

    Enjoy your trip. Must be nice, you have a cabin, fly off to get away from the cold, etc. I guess you are one of those elite. Now you make more sense to me.

    You are an extremist Paul. What every country fears and what causes wars. Funny how your type causes wars and then you defend them, and then many of you even profit from war… Not so funny really. It is quite obscene actually, and insane; and insanely profitable I might add.

  31. Paul Wenum January 4, 2010 at 9:48 pm #

    I find it ironic that if someone works hard and purchases a “Cabin” or any item that we get chastised for “not sharing the wealth.” By the way, I financed my cabin 30 days BEFORE I quit a job of 20 years knowing that I was starting a business 60 days later with NO clients, no revenue and fixed expenses. I gave myself an “extra push” that I succeed! In business, you either succeed or fail, there is no gray area. Thank God, I worked hard and still do to this day to keep my “Cabin.” as well as my business. As to a trip, it is a free trip after years of frequent flyer miles. I guess that is bad as well. I sense that you feel that you are entitled to a cabin, free trip, health care? What else? If you call working hard to earn money as “an extremist”, I am one as well as millions of other hard working Americans. I find your comments very much like comments I hear today about sharing the wealth. I guess the day’s of working hard are over. I hope I’m wrong. “Houston, we have a problem.”

  32. Rob N. Hood January 5, 2010 at 8:10 am #

    So maybe you aren’t an ultra elite. So why do you defend them so much? The “comments” you hear about “sharing the wealth” is more complicated and more natural to a functioning modern civilization than you make it out to be. Even healthy (necessary) to it, as we are finding out now in a painful way. And it isn’t about giving “welfare queens” cadillacs. The true welfare queens are the financial elite and large corporations. They are draining the middle class dry and you are blind to it. Strange indeed. Paul, you may not physically BE and extremist (except for who you vote for!), but you sure do think like one.

    Seems I hit a nerve re: Social Security benefits? Are you going to refuse yours, or give it all away to charity if you cannot refuse it? It is a Socialist program afterall. Even Bush the W tried to kill it, and future Republicans will never stop trying to privatize it, which really means it would get lost down the same hole most of the bailout money went to: the ultra elite pocketed it, as usual.

    • Dan McGrath January 5, 2010 at 9:25 am #

      I would consider it foolish to refuse your own money back. Personally, I’d prefer to not pay in at all and invest my own money. I can get a much better return on my money than the pittance the feds promise (and have the power to reduce at will). Social security is a rip-off and a ponzi scheme. Will I take back what little I can get? Yes. If I could opt out now, though, I would and even write off what I’ve paid in so far if I can just stop paying in now.

  33. Rob N. Hood January 5, 2010 at 4:31 pm #

    Riiight Dan… After the last HUGE crash you still say that? A fool and his money- remember that? Apparently you don’t. Our Social Security system is so successful in many ways it is the envy of the world, and has been copied and implemented by many countries. You righty Libertarians or whatever the heck you are are so adolescent when it comes to working together for the greater good. Yes, it’s your money, but the average person gets a little bit more than they put in. Really- you could give it back, or give it to your farvorite extremist cause, nobody’s stopping you, it’s your money as you say. The “Feds” have never reduced Social Security, that’s a falsehood. If anything it is regularly increased to keep up with inflation. If you really beleive what you said above you are either certifiably paranoid or very ignorant about the subject. Go peddle your propaganda to your friends.

  34. Paul Wenum January 5, 2010 at 9:21 pm #

    I think that you need an education on social security from its inception going forward. You know nothing for what you speak. I agree with Dan. Invested personally over time would have a better return on your investment. My father took SS at 65 and passed away at 80. He received all that he paid in within the first year of retirement. Am I anti-social security? Hell no, my mother, mother-in-law are on the system. It was a safety net for the poor (originally), not an investment to cover all expenses. It’s not a 401K!!!

  35. Rob N. Hood January 10, 2010 at 6:58 pm #

    Thank God it’s not a 401K ! If it had been like little Georgie wanted all our old relatives would be living in cardbaord boxes and starving. Or living in our homes like Charlie’s from Willy Wonka. Gee, that’d be great huh? For them and for us! I can’t wait for that, thanks you Rightys!!! Gee, if I’m lucky you will have pissed away the last great and thoroughly excellent earned saftey net left. Don’t give up guys, we too can return to the bad old days of the last century! Awesome!

  36. paul wenum January 14, 2010 at 12:18 am #

    typical liberal response expected with no facts to back it. The Bush plan was optional, not MANDATED like healthcare, Cap N Trade et al. Quit the liberal stance that is always pointing a finger at Bush when you have four pointing back at you.

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