From the Calgary Herald
On the eve of next week’s Copenhagen climate summit, the evidence couldn’t be more embarrassing for proponents of global warming. Leaked e-mails from the University of East Anglia’s Hadley Climate Research Unit (CRU), one of the world’s leading climate change research centres, indicate that prominent scientists cooked the books to make the case for man-made global warming.
Perhaps the scientists were just joking in some of the e-mails, as they now claim, and that they used “poorly chosen words.” If the East Anglia scientists were serious about everything in those e-mails, it’s a bombshell.
Misconduct at an institute as respected and influential as Hadley — including the manipulation and deletion of data and deliberate attempts to suppress peer-reviewed papers skeptical of global warming, as the e-mailsindicate– would undermine the very basis of an issue that is driving much of the world agenda. Global warming, endorsed by the national science academies of every major industrialized nation, would not only be flawed science, it would be the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the world.
It is big.. But religion is actually the biggest scam/hoax to ever exist.
If you think religion is a hoax, you obviously aren’t very educated.
Religion is a personal matter. Leave it alone. Get back to the subject at hand.
Hmmm. Now, I am not a believer in religions but I agree with Paul here. There is a huge difference between a belief in a religion, and the hoax of AGW. I know to the true believers of AGW that it has become like a religion, but it really is not the same thing. The real difference lies in the scientific evidence. A religion relies entirely on faith and does not require “proof”. Where as AGW requires “proof”. And now, thanks to climategate, there is “proof” that there has been a fraud afoot. And anyone who thinks there is AGW is living in complete denial.
I think that it is unfair of you BOBb to say that religion is a hoax. And I am saying that as a person who will actually berate someone who is talking about praying for things here on this site, but that is only because I believe this is not the forum for religious beliefs to be espoused. I bet you believe in something larger than yourself. Right? Or is this just your way of placing yourself above others? Because there are a lot of people out there who do believe in religions, and you are basically saying that they are fools to believe it.
I actually wish that I had some kind of religious belief, but for me personally I just can’t make that leap. But I will not put entire groups of people down for believing in something. That is none of my business, and it is none of your’s either.
Neil: My friend, faith does require proof. “Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for; the EVIDENCE of things not seen” Hebrews 11:1 How much more evidence does one need than an orderly created universe from Jupiter down to DNA? How much more evidence does one need than the infallibility and inscrutability of the Word of God scientifically, historically, psychologically, and geographically? How much more evidence does one need than a changed life? Only the power of the Gospel can make a drunkard drink no more, a murderer kill no more, and a thief steel no more. Neither Oprah, nor Dr. Phil can do that.
My friend, you don’t need religion, you need a relationship with Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the World. John 3:16, 1 John 4
How much more evidence does one need than an empty tomb?
No offence, but mind your own business. I did not say that there is no God. I believe there is a creator for the very reasons you posited. If you want to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, have at it dude. Just don’t be telling me what I need to do. I said I don’t believe in RELIGIONS. That includes Christianity. Just how exactly do you consider that this world has been saved? I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but this world is pretty fu**ed up man.
As far as belief in AGW, there are people who believe so strongly in it that they defend it with the same kind of zeal that you have for your savior. But there is, and will never be, any scientific evidence that Jesus walked on water, made the blind to see, turned water into wine, or rose from the dead.
There is, however, scientific evidence that these scientists have tampered with temperature data in the computer code that was hacked along with the emails.
Now as to what you said. “Only the power of the Gospel can make a drunkard drink no more, a murderer kill no more, and a thief steel no more.”
That is a bunch of crap, my friend. I have personal experience that tells me otherwise about alcaholics. It is faith in a higher power, and a desire on the part of the alcaholic to be sober that will make a drunkard drink no more. A murderer kill no more? I prefer the electric chair as the only sure fire cure for that one. A thief steel no more? I bet a good a** kicking might bring one around. But to say the gospel is the ONLY thing that can do that is a statement of ignorance of fact. Have a nice day.
Neil, I agree with your statements/beliefs on AGW but we definitly have to part ways on your views towards Christianity/Religion. How can you possibly believe there is a God and Creator and make the comments you made in your statement. Looks like Mr. Thompson touched on a nerve, hmmmm…..must be some truth to it! And to use such foul language, NOT nice. This world might be messed up (not wanting to use the language you used) but it just might be because of people thinking just like you towards Religion. Don’t get so up tight dude!
I get upset when people tell me I “need” to have a personal relationship with anything. That’s the only nerve that was struck. Just as it struck a nerve when Al Gore et al, was telling me I “need” to use less CO2, and get my carbon footprint down to size.
So can you please just let it go? This is not a website for dealing with religious beliefs. So, I don’t believe what you do about God, and religions. Who cares? Get over it.
By the way, I am not telling anyone what to believe. This started because BOBb said that religion is the biggest hoax in the world. I was defending people who believe in religions. I don’t have a problem with you believing in a religion. It’s fine. You know, whatever gets you through your day.
Just don’t go telling me that I have to believe it too. I could go on, and on, as to why I believe what I believe, but Dan McGrath, the moderator of this website, would edit it for length. Besides, I will never tell anyone that they need to believe what I believe. As Paul Wenum states above, “Religion is a personal matter. Leave it alone. Get back to the subject at hand.” To that I say amen.
Neil, Agree. Never use any religion as a “crutch.” My Church/synagogue/mosque is “within me” as me grandfather used to say and yes, it is a personal matter. All of you leave it there. Climate change or lack thereof, is the reason why we are here. I have better things to do than argue over an argument that as been ongoing for over 2000 plus years. Belief is in the heart and sole and is a personal thing. Get back on point!!!
Thanks Paul. I regret even bringing it up.
Back to the fraud of AGW! And yes I believe, if not the biggest hoax ever, it is in the top 5.
Nice to see you back on point.
By the way Neil, I do believe, it’s just that I do not wear it on my sleeve. take care my friend. Back on point I say!
Neil, what are the other “Top 5” hoaxes. Please enlighten us.
Rob, enlighten us with yours????
I never made the statement, Neil did. We’re waiting Neil.
Neil’s on vacation from your dribble. I will be taking one as well come January 2010. I’m sure Neil is enjoying his time off away from you.
Must be nice. I’m surprised that Obama and Al Gore are allowing you guys the freedom to do that and that we evil Liberals haven’t taken all your hard earned money away, so you can do that. Have a nice time. Don’t worry about us here- we’ll try and save the world without you.
It is nice because it does not cost me a dime. I “saved” for it and it is paid for. My laptop will be with me. Don’t worry, I’ll be back. By the way, I have my coupons ready for “The Specials,” as my mother-in-law states. Saves me over $2,000.00 a year. Coupons that is! Try them some time, you may be the “Millionaire next Door.” A book I Highly recommend that you read. Finally, if I need Al Gore to “allow me freedom” to do what I work hard for, I personally will have a major problem. Nobody tells an independent person what to do, especially an old “Scot” like me. Rob, work hard, save money and take a break!!