Data for vital ‘hockey stick graph’ has gone missing
There has been no global warming since 1995
Warming periods have happened before – but NOT due to man-made changes
By Jonathan Petre
The academic at the centre of the â€˜Climategateâ€™ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble â€˜keeping trackâ€™ of the information.
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.
Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is â€˜not as good as it should beâ€™.
The data is crucial to the famous â€˜hockey stick graphâ€™ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now â€“ suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no â€˜statistically significantâ€™ warming.
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Angliaâ€™s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.
It will be when Barry calls off the enviro-dogs! Let’s see what happens… I personally am really enjoying the collapse of the AGW religion. Where are you AL??
My dog ate it!!!!!!!!!!!!
It has yet to be reported to the normal public/media like you and I are used to viewing. I will hold my judgment until it is admitted. Somewhat like Madoff??
Where is Rob?
Here I am. It’s funny that you think the issue is solved or will go away. There are people on both sides of it that will never change their minds, for various reasons. Nature will show us the truth in time. That is why I focus on other issues. Ones that will probably effect us even more than global-warming if indeed that theory turns out to be true. I am referring to who has power and money and what they are doing with it and what their plans for our future is. Because they control us now even more than the climate does. And they don’t plan on giving that up willingly anytime soon. Do you want to be controlled and used and stolen from for the rest of your lives? Here’s another sample to contemplate:
The theocratic right seeks to establish dominion, or control over society in the name of God. D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries, calls on his followers to exercise “godly dominion … over every aspect … of human society.”
At a “Reclaiming America for Christ” conference in February, 2005, Kennedy said: “Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors â€“ in short, over every aspect and institution of human society.”
“Itâ€™s funny that you think the issue is solved or will go away.” -Rob.
It’s funny that Al Gore told us the debate was over and the science was settled! I guess it ain’t…… Hmmmmmmmm.
“Nature will show us the truth in time. That is why I focus on other issues.” -Rob
(Forgive me Dan, I know you hate this.) THIS SITE IS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!! WHY DO YOU INSIST ON BRINGING UP IRRELEVENT ISSUES HERE? THE FOCUS HERE IS GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!! JUST WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT ROB???????? AND YES, THE SUBJECT YOU BRING UP HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, I got a little worked up.
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Is Jesus more dangerous that the Carbonian cult? In economics? Don’t make me laugh Rob, and yes, why you are always confusing T-bones with electricity?
Ummm, it’s very simple my narrow-minded friends. There is a much larger issue. This pet issue of yours is just an example of what the powers that be are doing. Getting you to become too focused on one thing, while they control you in many other ways. I’m not saying you are wrong about this issue- in fact I am starting to believe you are right- but not becuase of this slanted and tainted site. No- I am getting objective info from other sources.
Again- being correct about one issue doesn’t make you geniuses or even smart. Everyone gets lucky once in awhile. Actually, however, it confirms for me that the “extreme” Left and Right do have common ground- and we should and need to exploit that if we are to get any of our own power back. This is very unlikley however based upon your repsonses to my posts. Neil for example. Paul too of course… Even though what I post is not that radical it appears to drive you Rightists crazy. If you cannot adjust your mindsets, even somewhat, to anything I post or anything beyond this one-issue site then we have no hope.
Human beings have a tendency to categorize and label other people and ideas. It is, for better or worse, a fundamental part of how we understand the complexities of the world. This component of human nature, like most any other, can be abused as a powerful tool for social manipulation. By framing a polarized debate according to artificial boundaries, and establishing the two poles of that debate, social engineers can eliminate the perceived possibility of a third alternative. The mainstream media apparatus is the key weapon to this end. The endless creation of dichotomies, and the neat arrangement of ideologies along left/right lines, offers average people a very simple (though hopelessly inaccurate) way of thinking about politics and power. It forces them to choose a side, usually based solely on emotional or cultural reasons, and often lures them into supporting positions they would otherwise disagree with. It fosters an environment in which beating the other team is more important than ensuring the integrity of your own. Perhaps most importantly, it allows the powers-that-be to determine what is â€œfair gameâ€ for debate, and what is not. You all seem to have fallen into that trap.
Alinsky himself wrote: â€œOne acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.â€
Stop it! You are not the arbiter of the topics. It’s called globalclimatescam.com. It’s not about what you want to make it about. There are other forums out there for what you want. Please go talk about the other topics elsewhere.
Most of us are well aware of manipulation. It comes from everywhere. Politics, media, music, relationships. Duh, I get it. There is no getting away from manipulation.
There is a difference between narrow mindedness, and a narrow focus. I think you are mistaking one for the other. This website has a narrow focus primarily on global warming. Why do you not grasp that?
The problem is you suffer from both. I have criticized you much more often than this site. I’m not a paid troll- but I sure act like one, don’t I? I wish I was getting paid for this. As I’ve already said many times- I’m looking for any common ground with people like you guys, and you shoot me down everytime. yes, I know you have many reasons WHY you do that. But those are not the real reasons. And I’m curious about those real reasons, although they are hard to get at. Now I understand why civil wars are so prevalant. It’s not so much that I want things MY way, but you want everything YOUR way. NO matter what. Luckily, you guys make up only about a third of the population (at best). Probably less, during non- election years. It is the “undecideds” who ultimately decide who’s in temporary control, i.e. national elections.
So really, neither you or I matter that much. That is what makes me angry. Not some troll wanna be on some minor site that says fairly reasonable things that for some reason make me crazy. You could just ignore me. But the two-year-old in you won’t let you do that… not yet anyway.
Rob, if I wanted to talk about other issues I will find other forums to do it. Where do you get off calling us narrow minded? How do you know that our proverbial fingers aren’t in other proverbial pies? You don’t. The name of this website is GLOBAL CLIMATE SCAM .com. It’s not ROB WILL PICK THE TOPIC .com. Really get over yourself. You do not steer the topics here Rob.
Did you know that I am a musician? No, because I’ve never mentioned it. I started playing guitar when I was 6 years old. Music is a subject I am very interested in, but I don’t talk about it here because this is GLOBAL CLIMATE SCAM .com.
We need not receive an Alinsky lecture with no trained thought behind it. Global warming is a dead issue. You simply confirmed what I’ve stated in the past. you state you “get objective” answers from Others.” Must be the IPCC, Gore, and others I assume? Reading your chants is like watching grass grow. Boring.
For the long of Rob’s message I think he is unemployed, for the way he approched the themas, I strongly believe he still living with his old unmarried sister
These kind of personal attacks against fellow readers and commentators on GCS are neither productive nor welcome. Please stick to the issues and don’t make it personal.
Dan, I think this is exactly what our friend wants to accomplish. Derail discussion of the topic of the post, and instigate a reply like the one given by Cubanshamoo. Rob is very manipulative in that sense. I think your admonishment should be directed towards Rob as well.
Dan loves it. This site would bevery boring otherwise. What’s the next issue for you after this? You are correct, I think, that you’ve won this battle. Your side usually does. I predicted it… give me some credit for that???? I guess not.
No. I don’t “love it.” You may remember that I once suspended your commenting privileges for inappropriate personal comments (and excessiive use of profanity as I recall). I find personal attacks boring as well as counter-productive (not to mention childish). I like a lively debate on the issues this site was established to discuss. Sometimes other topics necessarily enter into the discussion because of their intrinsic link to the global climate scam and related issues. That’s fine, but always remember the point of the site. I will try to steer wayward discussions back on track.
I agree and will attempt to be civil as I assume others will as well. Rob seems like a likable fellow. It is just that we have major disagreements. I doubt that will ever change. Hey, that’s what free speech is all about my friends. That’s what makes our Country the best in the world and never forget that. If everyone agreed, we would not be here would we?
Sorry, I will pull out
Hey, don’t pull out. That’s what Rob wants, don’t fall for it. If you pull out he wins. Don’t let him.
“Cubanshamoo”, I’ve never backed off from any adversary in my life. I hope you don’t as well. All I know is Global warming as it was in the past is gone. Now it will morph into some new idea shoved down our throats. Will there be Robs? Yes. They will ever give up? No. That is their goal. Next is Cap N Trade and health care that will be shoved down our throats with a 51 vote in the coming days. (By the way do we need reform of health care? Yes, but not the way it is now on the table. let the market prevail by opening up State competition by all Ins. companies. Competition reduces prices) Stick with us. What is there to lose? Arguing with someone with a MAJOR difference of opinion? Think about it. Don’t react. Be proactive. Finally, remember for every action there is a reaction. Don’t react without thinking first. Later.
Hi Neil and Paul,
No I never backed off even in harder situations like being in Cuban’s Gulag twice for expressing my opinion about the destruction of Cuban nature by the comunist regime. I also don’t believe I make any personal attack since in my culture that’s only possible when you really know the private environment of your adversary. My sentence was a sarcasm, because I value very much my time and I don’t like to waste it. I was reading many of Rob’s messages and I arrived to the conclusion he is a troll, a guy planted in this forum to twist the thema, to hide the liberal irrationality, and to argue about the sex of the clouds.
I am ornithologist by profession and actually animal director experimenter in a European University, I know a bit what sience is and how easily coul turn into yunk science. I also believe that USA is still the Light House of the world thanks to conservatism, their values and their courage and I found hard to believe that some people wants to turn that wonderfull country into a Cuban hell. When I talk about pull out I was trying to defend my time against non-sense
Good! I thought our little troller was getting to you. Sounds like you have more backbone than I thought. Give ’em hell!!!
Cubanshamoo, well said and well taken.
Dan deleted my polite and honest reply to you guys. I guess some truths are harder to take than others…
No. I did no such thing.
Ok, Dan I believe you. Sorry. I did post a response to the above, it just didn’t work for some reason. I don’t even remember what it was now…
Sorry Dan, but I am very good clasifying this kind of liberal. This is the last time I will mention my opinion on Rob, it is like to plant bananas in the North Pole
“This kind of Liberal”?? Just what is that exactly my “Cuban” friend? And you are so very open-minded are you? Must be nice.
Rob is repeating Alinsky again. As previously stated, you are certainly well read even though you faked otherwise. A fake you are a fake you will be. Burn me once shame on you, burn my twice shame on me. Should have seen you coming months ago.
You did Paul. You never liked my posts. Give yourself more credit than that. Although I am not a paid troll, although the extre money would be nice. I am troll-like that’s for sure. I am the lonely liberal here trying to keep you guys honest. It’s a tough job, but someone has to do it, right?
I quess. May as well get use to it. You may see the real world some day but I sincerely doubt it. That said, never say never. Hope you se the light someday. Just don’t let it be a freight train coming your way. Love discourse. Dislike personal degrading comments from what seems to be full of hate and rage.
When you say “hate and rage” it is Neil I think of here, not myself. Or even you.
Only my observation but Neil is firm in his convictions just like me. There is no “Hate” by Neil nor I or others, just concern for our countries fate going forward. In our humble opinion, it is going the wrong direction. Only time will tell, will it not? Think about it.
Humble… really Paul? Come now. You love the whitewash don’t you?!
True intelligence is a liquid thing, not a solid.
Wow, I think I just coined a phrase. Yay me!!!
Dan- please note this original phrase for trademark and future profits. Thanks.
That said, you are “Solid” in your convictions like me. We just have a difference of opinion as to how it’s handled. Very simple. Coin that phrase, if you so wish.