Brown Says Less Than 50 Days to 'Save the Planet'

Yesterday British Prime Minister Gordon Brown issue dire warnings about global catastrophes that are to come if world leaders fail to come to an agreement and sign the Climate Treaty in Copenhagen this December.  His hyperbole sounds a lot like that of Al Gore in his movie, “An Inconvenient Truth.”  It is interesting to note that a British judge ruled that Gore’s movie contained 9 significant errors that had to be corrected before it could be shown in British schools.  We are wondering if the judge might not want to issue a ruling on Gordon Brown’s speech as well.

109 Responses to Brown Says Less Than 50 Days to 'Save the Planet'

  1. Rob N. Hood October 20, 2009 at 10:13 am #

    Uh oh. He’s just another scammer, wonder how much that evil genius Al Gore is paying him…?!

    People should use the climate change crisis as an opportunity to become human again, setting aside the addictive and self-destructive behavior that has damaged their souls, the Archbishop of Canterbury said today. Dr Rowan Williams, head of the Church of England and leader of the worldwide Anglican communion, told an audience at Southwark Cathedral that people had allowed themselves to become “addicted to fantasies about prosperity and growth, dreams of wealth without risk and profit without cost”.

    Another one!

    • Mark Lamont Brown October 22, 2009 at 8:39 am #

      Mr Hood,
      You are entitled to your opinions, but why dont you show more respect for other peoples opinions? Both Gore and Brown have been caught out lying numerous times, you defend global warming with a religious zeal, however that appears to be all. Many contributors to this comment are patient and polite. You are didainful and arrogant. Why don’t you actually check some facts instead of accusing everybody here of being hopelessly misinformed? Show proof of Global warming and all of your opposition will melt, Like the poles in your preferred world view. The scientific facts support an opposite view to yours. Live with it!

      • Dan McGrath October 22, 2009 at 10:03 am #

        Good point. I think Lord Monckton is so reviled by the left because he has embarrassed Gore with his advertised challenge to Debate Gore – to which Gore has never responded except the absurd statement that “the debate is over.” In science, the debate is never over. Newton and Einstein’s theories are now being challenged. Lord Monckton was also behind the lawsuit in the UK over Gore’s film being shown in schools. The courts found that Gore’s Inconvenient Truth was indeed full of errors and ordered 77 pages of corrective guidance to accompany any display of the film in UK films.

    • lords bidder October 22, 2009 at 2:21 pm #

      The change in the climate is actually foretold in Daniel 7, and in zephaniah and in revelations. Global warming is found in revelation as well…strange though-john foretold revelation 2,000 years ago…and supposedly our scientists and the worlds scientists have read it, so how did trhye miss the part about the warming and the cooling off periods in the bible?
      Al Gore is a devot christian, I am surprised he did not catch it either….

      The part I thought was good, in revelation: the oppressor bring s the destroyer….the people have the oppressor as their leader and they are happy about it-revelation 5th trumpet call….now we are looking for the 6th trumpet call…because the 7 thunderclaps have already happened!

      • nukeman October 23, 2009 at 7:56 am #

        lords bidder….you state Al gore is a devote christian, yet he supports abortion and gay marriage. sorry dude, you are missing something that you claim to know about the

      • wow man October 23, 2009 at 8:52 am #

        al gore is a christian??… i guess anyone can claim to be a “christian” now a days.. and you are only interpreting those scriptures as “global warming” but the reference doesnt state that warming and cooling will happen over many years, as in the case with global warming. please get your facts straight.

        • Mark Lamont Brown October 30, 2009 at 11:24 am #

          If Al Gore was a christian he would not care so much about the environment as he would believe that the earth will end anyway…
          Wait a minute? He Does believe that!
          Rock on Mr Massive Carbon footprint for me and darn the consequences….. But not anybody else, no sirreee!!!

  2. Tom Harris, Patriot October 20, 2009 at 11:26 am #

    It really is frightening when you see the PM of England lying so blatantly in public to the public. The global climate has actually cooled .73 deg in the past ten years. That is 7.3 deg this century. 49deg in Florida in October?? Real time – chilly to me. There are more people drowing from too much water than dying from thirst.

    • Mister Pudding October 20, 2009 at 4:22 pm #

      0.73 degrees celsius or fahrenheit? Btw, according to whom has the global temperature dropped 0.73 degrees F or C since 1999?

      0.73 degrees in a decade also does not automatically translate into 7.3 degrees over a century, you can’t just perform a quick linear extrapolation like that. A 7.3 degree drop in temperature would be about on the level of shifting into an ice age, btw.

      49 degrees in Florida in October is a bit chilly, but in itself it is meaningless.

      • Lynwood October 20, 2009 at 4:49 pm #

        I would say that .73 drop in temp since 1999 (F or C) is significant in itself. It’s NOT getting warmer. Global warming is a giant hoax on the world. 49 degrees in Florida in October is meaningless? Then 115 degrees in Arizona in September is meaningless as well. Do you global warming theorists just want it one way?

        • Mister Pudding October 20, 2009 at 6:43 pm #

          Individual cases of anomalous warmth or cold are meaningless in and of themselves. After all, how many days go by when the mean temperature in your town is exactly what the climatological average for that day is? In order to measure exactly HOW anomalous a particular temperature is for a particular date is, you’d want to find out what the standard deviation of the mean temperature on that date/location is. An example of that sort of data for the Philadelphia Int’l Airport is here:

          And maybe I’ve totally missed the boat on the latest news, but if you take a look here: , I don’t see a 0.73 degree change up or down over any 10 year period. The best I can find is about a 0.5 degree drop from a single point in the 1940s to another single point in the 1950s.

          • Yank October 21, 2009 at 7:12 am #

            Using NASA’s mean temperature deltas, the endpoint of the linear trendline of avg temperature as measured from 1880 decreases by .1 degree compared to the endpoint of the trend line in 1999. That trendline IS still increasing. A 6th order polynomial trendline since 1880 to 2009 shows that we are currently on the decreasing side of a crest that appears to have topped out around 2002-2003. I suspect I am looking at similar data as Mister Pudding as the single greatest temperature delta was from 1934 to 1935, decreasing over 1 degree. While the greatest increase was from 1997 to 1998, again well over 1 degree. How fortuitous for Mr Gore.

      • Allan October 22, 2009 at 4:56 pm #

        JEEEEZ! What a bunch of jibberish. You are splitting hairs with no benefit. Global warming “as it is being presented” is a farce. I am a big-time environmentalist, have been for 35 years. But, I am a COMMON-SENSE environmentalist. Mother Earth does not exist in a vacuum. The “environment” also includes people, who need to work and eat. You CANNOT drastically change any nation’s economy on the wholesale level like “cap-and-tax” will do without GRAVE adjustments to our standard of living. You left-wingers….GROW UP and use the rock on your shoulders for what it was meant for….TO FRIGGIN’ THINK! Algore has been duping you idiots all the way to the bank. You want the truth about Algore, FOLLOW THE MONEY! If “cap-and-tax” passes in the Congress and our “black Mussolini” signs it, Algore will become the world’s FIRST eco-Billionaire. Coincidental, you say? HARDLY.

      • Neil F. AGWD October 22, 2009 at 8:31 pm #

        It does not matter. The point is that the average global temps have not risen as predicted by the IPCC, and James Hansen et al, and as trumpeted by Al Gore, and his minions. It is simple. They said the temperatures would rise, and they have not. Period. Can you wrap that around your beak? And how do you know we’re not heading into an ice age? The average global temps have begun to decrease, and the Sun is darn near dormant.
        I don’t know, do you? And that’s my point. Don’t go claiming that we (humans) are causing global warming, and that draconian measures are neccessary save the planet, when there isn’t one iota of evidence, other than computer models (don’t get me started on computer models), to back up your claim. It was bogus when the IPCC declared that humans are causing global warming. And it remains bogus to this day. The proof is in the pudding, Mr. Duck.

  3. Fisheral October 20, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    I thought that the British Courts had already ruled that due to the lies exposed in “An Inconvenient Truth” that equal time had to be given to counter-points of view in English classrooms. Why doesn’t this apply for the general public, as well.

  4. Bob Annett October 20, 2009 at 2:17 pm #

    I am grateful to the person who sent this along. Count me among those who doubt the argument that (1) we are experiencing global warming and (2) that such warming (if it existed) is caused by mankind. Citizens of America need to awaken to a crisis of leadership that threatens our survival as the world’s greatest free economy. Write today to our president to express your opinion.
    Bob Annett
    San Diego, CA 91941

  5. Rob N. Hood October 20, 2009 at 4:35 pm #

    Ok, so I have to ask: If you “deniers” truly believe that Pres. Obama is “poised” or in any other way shape or form planning on “ceding” the country away, can you actually believe such an outrageous thing would not also HAVE TO include the support of many Republicans also…(not to even mention the military)? Do you really expect people to believe that the guy that actually made it thru to the Presidency somehow is some stealth communist or whatever, and that all the powers that be in this country somehow got fooled? Really??? In other words, what aare you actually capable of believing?

    • patRiot October 20, 2009 at 5:45 pm #

      Yes. This man is President and won’t even show his long form birth certificate to quell the curiosity of almost half his adoring pubic (although he ran on ‘transparency’ and being ‘everybody’s president’). His opponent did, no problem. Not trying to open up a new can of worms here but many Americans can’t even see the problem if B.O. wasn’t born here as he says he was. I’m not saying he was or wasn’t I am just saying they can’t see the problem?!? A vast segment of the American population will swallow anything that looks cool and promises them something. It is unbelievable the immense ignorance that thrives here not to mention the complacency. And personally, yes I do think the Repubs are as guilty. McCain ran such a horrid campaign he had to have thrown it on purpose.

      • cotatijsk October 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm #

        Strange that everyone had it backward. John McCain is the one not born in the U.S.

        • jlace1014 October 21, 2009 at 5:28 pm #

          John McCain was pardoned of that because his absence was due to his family serving in the millitary at the time of his birth. That’s not the same thing.

        • Suzan October 21, 2009 at 8:35 pm #

          Shut the f— up! You don’t have a clue of what you speak!

  6. Sarah October 20, 2009 at 5:16 pm #

    Well Rob – judging by all the screaming ninnies that believe in global warming and carbon trading, I would say everyone has a complete right to be cynical.

    • Suzan October 21, 2009 at 8:36 pm #

      You go girl!

  7. Stork October 20, 2009 at 6:44 pm #

    Ok, RobNHood,
    So you believe that those in power in our government are trustworthy to uphold our constitution? Just what are you capable of believing? Don’t come at people like that.
    There is plenty of proof of corruption in government, and it’s not just a few. Most just don’t know what to do about it, but hate it none the less. And don’t come back with the “voted for them” or “vote them out” thing, there’s no media outlet for good competition in politics. Much of their time is spent collecting money for the next election, less time spent reading bills that those who pay their election bills want passed.
    Do you really believe they won’t sell out our constitution for enough money and power? If so, you are naive, for they have already done so several times.

  8. Paul Wenum October 20, 2009 at 7:46 pm #

    Robbie Boy, Obviously not believing you.

  9. Paul Wenum October 20, 2009 at 10:58 pm #

    I think my job is done. Later.

    • Yank October 21, 2009 at 7:18 am #

      There are many progressive “republicans” that will support such actions. Unfortunately, the number of Constitution supporting Dems and Reps are too few.

  10. May Lee October 21, 2009 at 5:32 am #

    GB’s presentation is a series of non sequitur statements. Global warming is not anthropogenic
    Facts are
    1. the world is experiencing a phenomenal period of interglacial optimum and benign conditions
    2 the response has been a human population explosion without equal, 1 billion to 6.6 billion in 100 years
    and ignorant self serving politicians ruling our lives and creating a new guilt ridden religion to justify taxing the air we breathe.
    3. A consequence of INCREASING POPULATION has led to more deaths from natural disasters ( earthquakes, floods, storms, volcanoes, heat waves & droughts) and irresponsible land use, depletion and contamination of natural resources, top soil erosion, marine depletion, deforestation and species extinction that will affect food and water security.
    4. we need higher CO2 levels to sustain food resources to feed to the new billions and to store bio-energy for the next ice age.

  11. Rob N. Hood October 21, 2009 at 8:19 am #

    Stork, what you say makes no sense, and it doesn’t answer my question about Repubs and the military having to also be involved in something so extreme. Yes I am just as cynical if not more so than you so let’s not even argue that. Most people on this site truly believe the Republicans will sve them from some paranoid fantasy re: Liberals. that’s my point. And that both parties are corrupt, etc. As to Obama being some kind of special extreme case of evil, that’s hogwash of course. He’s no better or worse than the rest probably. Bush took away way more of anyone’s rights than any other President in memory, and the serfs that love Republicanism give him a pass for that and much much more. That’s what makes me sick. By doing that and believing the Repubs are actually on their side is why we are in the mess where’re in now. I will say the same for Democrats too, that’s why I refer to myself as Liberal and not Democrat, something Pauly Boy and Neil seem to continually forget. So Stork, when you say “they” who are you referring to? If you are referring to ALL of them I agree. If you are referring to only Democrats and a slect few Repubs then I have to say it is you who is naive.

    • Stork October 21, 2009 at 9:54 am #

      I’m refering to All, as in All, Repubs and Dems.
      Unfortunately, I am late into the game of “What’s going on?”. Raise to believe that “All Power and Authority is of God”, I was busy minding my own affairs and applying things to myself. Some time back, I had a “religion crises”, and realized that it was just a way to control people, I found the inconsistencies and proved them to myself, then began to research the beginnings of religion, etc……………this has led me to today. All I can do is appologize to mankind for my late arrival to the game.
      I learned very well, while working in a high position in a corporation for years, that there is very little, if anything, that some people won’t do for money and power. I have been a lone-eagle programmer for over 5 years, so I have had more time to research and it has blown me away.
      If there is money and power to be had with anything, it will be taken advantage of…….that is an unfortunate fact, and it is the responsibility of every person with integrity to get to work figuring out how to bring sanity back into the world, non-partisan like. Liberal, conservitive, libertarian it doesn’t matter, only integrity matters for now.

  12. Tony October 21, 2009 at 9:24 am #

    Rob, obviously you have less knowledge in politics than you do in climatology. If/when the president signs this “treaty” it will need ratification by the Senate which has a majority of democrats seated, a filibuster proof majority. If this president chooses to he may even enact the “reconciliation process” or “Constitutional convention” to pass the treaty into law which would become the “rule of the Land” per Article 6. The republicans can do nothing to stop this, but they can tell the truth to their constituents. However, the real question should be “Is all this necessary?” The destruction of the most successful and philanthropic economy in the western world, all in the name of reparations to the third world and all based upon severely debatable data. When you see through the haze you will realize that the very ideology you rail against is what is driving this craze. Greed, not by working Americans who only want to keep more of what they EARN, but by a few people set in appointed positions that see this as an opportunity advance a socialist agenda disguised as global environmentalism. This is a greed for power, not money. They already have all the money.

  13. Stork October 21, 2009 at 10:14 am #

    Signing treatys does not require input form the military. The freedoms of the USA are not being taken all at once, but there are many things already in place, and more are on the way. This treaty would only enhance their position. And it’s convenient that most of our troops are overseas.
    Is there climate change, you betcha there is, Im an old man and I remember colder and hotter weather in the extremes. But should those in power in the world control us to control it, I think not. Just stop making and selling lots of junk that use power to make, chemicals by products to dump and a short usaable life to throw into garbage dumps.

  14. Eco Dude October 21, 2009 at 10:57 am #

    Hey! … so what if the Globe is/isn’t warming. Still doesn’t give 7billion humans the right to turn our home into a toxic dump! Get with the rhythm of life folks. Let’s live responsibly and learn the story of every product we consume. We the people have the power to disempower corrupt governments and corporations by not voting … with our pocket! Everyday. Become Eco conscious.

    Clean Living.


  15. Hunsta October 21, 2009 at 11:30 am #

    Wow.. Listen to the pauses in his delivery. The stutters are so obvious. Fff.Fe, fewer then 50 days.. Then the stumble… At one point he almost says “Wrong” instead of responsibilities… The juxtaposition between what he is saying and then the graphical ‘evidence’ is a nice touch too in discrediting the speaker. So what is the real deal?

  16. digs October 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm #


    I like your last comment about not making such junk. Even a pull back to a 1950’s level of the American Dream, coupled with more modern energy efficiencies would seem to make a big difference and allow more people to enjoy that standard of living. I’m a design engineer but I see little concern from my peers towards underlying changes such as lower power for the same effect, benign material selection, or recycling built into the product lifecycle. Anecdotally, while taking courses at the University of Vermont (a very liberal, green university) I was one of only four students to enroll in a course on “Design for the Environment” and the only student to finish the course.

    Would write more, but I’m tired of not being heard.

    A cynical pre-Gore environmentalist.

  17. Rob N. Hood October 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm #

    Stork, at least you are reasonable and intelligent. I’m just saying that there’s no way in hell Obama is going to get away with anything that the powers that be don’t want him to get away with, and that includes the military as in …Duh, and sorry but Repubs too!! Why is that so hard for some deniers to understand? I know- it threatens their myopic view of their Republican heroes. The problem I have with listening to some of their heroes now about this is they have no, zero, credibility for me. Am I going to trust a bunch of liars now? I think not.

    Have things been handled in stages or increments, to reduce the power of the people, of course! I’ve been watching that happen since Reagan! Is the treaty in question another big step in some kind of new world order? I admit I don’t know. But I do know that BOTH parties are one and the same and the sooner these blockheads understand that the better off we’ll all be.

  18. Stork October 21, 2009 at 3:22 pm #

    RobNHood, I’m new to this forum and I had assumed it was non-political (not repub or demo leaning) but about preventing humanity from swallowing a bad pill. And in this case USA from swallowing a bad pill with everyone else in the world.

    I’m tired of the left/right, repub/demo, christian/athiest, black/white, or whatever at-odds group seperations. I think that mankind needs to realize we are all in this together and stop letting the PTB divide and conquer us. Until we learn to live, how to handle freedom responsibly, and accept responsibility for our actions we are going to have the greedy working to use us for their uses and seeing us as base.

  19. Stork October 21, 2009 at 3:35 pm #

    RobNHood, another thing, try not calling them deniers. Are people who believe there are no aliens flying around “deniers”? Talk about the good and bad points of things, reasonably, that will get us all father down the right humanity path.

    I see carbon credits as another way for Wall Street to cash in on energy at it’s root, what’s needed for everything that is not made by hand. I don’t see it as solving any problem.

    My son (12) asked me, “Why do people think carbon dioxide goes up”? Then I remembered that he had done a demonstration in a super-saturday class at a university that where he poured CO2 into a candle from a 2liter bottle and put it out.

    I am raising a couple head of cattle, and I don’t see them belching or farting any more methane than I get from my mulch piles. They eat of lot of grass, clover and alfalpha in a day and that’s where the methane comes from.

    There are a lot of common sense things that can help us see through the hype-for-power and try to make some common sense decisions without government or wall street getting into it.

    Like Digs said a few posts up, we vote with our money every day.

  20. Eco Dude October 21, 2009 at 3:55 pm #

    Hey Stork! That wasn’t digs it was the Eco Dude. Vote with your pocket…

    Shop consciously, don’t support the hype and grow some of your own food!

    Remember urine is liquid gold on the compost heap!


  21. Chuck Fetter October 21, 2009 at 3:55 pm #

    In a saner time, climate change was called ‘Seasons’… (BTW the Lemmings have now been instructed to use the words ‘climate change’ instead of GW, as we are freezing our asses off) “Inconvenient Truth”, just make an adjustment in the propaganda lies…

    The Sun regulates Earth Climate. God regulates the Sun, and the cosmos… Propaganda; to destroy The GREAT America, and crush it into a third world cesspool… While making the Useful idiot ‘control freaks’ ie. algore et al.. rich.. We breathe out ‘plant food’.. The plants reward us with o2… Nice touch ‘evolution’ has ‘just by accident’ given us…

    Do not fear SEASONS. Fear those who want to control you… Fear Tyranny!!
    Chuck Fetter

  22. marvin clark October 21, 2009 at 4:28 pm #

    Ignorance is bliss to those who think the human race hasn’t ruined this beautiful planet beyond repair.
    Time to wake up and time to turn out the lights, literally.
    If you think that your SUV and the burning of your lites all day does not hurt anything but your
    pocket book then so be it. Really Really too bad for the earth that was so good before fossel fuels, coal,
    oil and also the nuclear energy.
    Nothing is going to help now. Too late.
    Check what is going on with chernobol and forget it all.

    • Constitutionalists October 22, 2009 at 9:32 pm #

      Really? You do really believe yourself don’t you? Maybe if you had ever taken a science class or been outside of a big city you might understand how utterly insane your comments sound. I have worked both in the environmental and in the Nuclear fields. Do you really believe that the earth can’t or hasn’t recovered from Volcanic activity? Forest fires? Where do you think Uranium comes from? Mars? When a Society has wealth they are more conscience of their environment not the other way around. If you want to stop “Global Warming” try holding your breath. My belief is that people devoid of a religion and guilty of their wealth are using Environmentalism as a religion, ignoring reason and intelligence.

  23. Rob N. Hood October 21, 2009 at 4:56 pm #

    Stork- sorry but it all does come down to politics. Why? That’s where most of the power is held/wielded. And please don’t lecture me about my use of words. There are many crazy people out there, and they are part of the problem and not the solution. I have been frustrated by them for decades, so if a little incivility comes out, too bad. I’ve gotten my fill of it here and elsewhere during those decades too. Liberals have been too polite for too long. Besides “they” haven’t complained about it so I don’t know why you should. I actually would hazard a guess that they are proud to be called that. Just a hunch.

    And I think you will find you have much less in comman with “them” than you think. You’ll see. They’re heroes are the right-wing, and it appears you agree more with me that all politcs in this country is now the problem- not just one side. They don’t see that and very likely never will. Not unless the Repubs finally discard the last of their sheep’s clothing and reveal their true selves, more obviously than they already have.

  24. American Heritage October 21, 2009 at 5:58 pm #

    People, why are you debating this. You are showing it is easy to take over this country. BTW, that’s exactly what’s happening. Does not anyone have any discernment about the actions of our government recently. Isn’t your unction just going crazy when you see the President and his little round flag symbol. It’s coming people and unless we ALL come together and fight this with action and prayer, we’re in trouble. For those of you who have no idea what I’m talking about, your deceived. Check this out, when you’re deceived you don’t know you’re deceived. Pray that you aren’t deceived. God help us. Take a stand people, come together and quit arguing about these stupid little details. There’s a lot at stake here. You know the bible says in the end good will be called evil and evil good. Look around, that’s exactly what’s happening.

  25. gab October 21, 2009 at 7:08 pm #

    Well, I have read all of these posts and watched the video. I don’t like to classify myself as republican or democrat but I am a Christian. I believe that the ‘signs’ of global warming are just signs of the times. We are going to go through things like this. Maybe some of you have heard this line in a song before but it’s how I feel about this whole thing…. “it’s the end of this world as we know it… and I feel fine”. Why worry about things that can’t be controlled. If there truly is a global warming… what can we do to reverse it? I’m pretty eco friendly but really just keep my eyes on living my life one day at a time, trying to bless others, and take whatever comes. Life is much more peaceful that way! Don’t worry… be happy.

  26. Stork October 21, 2009 at 7:31 pm #

    Sorry Eco Dude 🙂

  27. Stork October 21, 2009 at 8:00 pm #

    RobNHood, I’m not a Republican or Democrat, nor am I Libertarian or any other can-crat-ian that I know of. I have always considered myself a human, and I usually don’t view others as can-crat-ians either. I’m not even sure exactly what each of the labels stand for. I’d rather make judgements, if any, based on deeds and words. But, I have noticed that how I approach others can have an effect on the type of response I get, not always, but sometimes. And, if only once in while I find a person willing to discuss things rationally, I consider it worth the effort of many, many attempts. I may learn as much or more from them than they do from me.

    Once in a great while I run across a person that I will never forget. I get to share a few moments, and when we part, we know that we should meet again, even if we may not do so in this lifetime. Maybe I could be called a deist, but probably not the way the term is usually used, so I avoid labels.

    I also hope that everyone gets to see the can-crat-ian powers as they really are, and soon, but not to the viewers destruction. I don’t want to get even, just to see it all correct before I leave this place. It was easier to want revenge when I was younger, but I have no time for that anymore, it’s a waste of time and enegry, and who knows, maybe others won’t want revenge on me.

    It’s the republicans turn to bring to light the democrats folly, just as it is the democrats turn when the republicans are in office. But it’s only to the depression of those that follow it, and the vexation of those at the other end of the stick. As I have said on other forums, their end desire for us is the same, whether republican or democrat, the only difference is who can say that they have won at enslaving us their way. I have seen it before when I worked as a Principal Systems Architect in a corporation. They’ll have a beer over it all when each battle is over, saying “I’ll get you next time”, but the guys & gals in the cubes loose either way.

    Forget the labels, forget the causes, just join together. The details of freedeom can be worked out after the chains are removed.

  28. Paul Wenum October 21, 2009 at 11:24 pm #

    You enslave yourself as well as chain yourself. Get a life and find the key. I note Robbie Boy is taking center stage on B as in B and S as in S. Robbie boy is a piece of work I must say. Alinski through and through. I’m out of retirement Slanderous Robbie Boy! after reviewng your disrespectible posts to honest people. This a page to have discourse, not to chastise women, religion and others. You have now really got my Scottish dander up. “On to the games” as we say! Later Dunderhead.

  29. Jerry C. October 22, 2009 at 5:40 am #

    According to the prevailing scientific model of the Universe, known as the Big Bang, the Universe expanded from an extremely hot, dense phase called the Planck epoch, in which all the matter and energy of the observable universe was concentrated. Since the Planck epoch, the Universe has been expanding to its present form, possibly with a brief period (less than 10−32 seconds) of cosmic inflation. Several independent experimental measurements support this theoretical expansion and, more generally, the Big Bang theory. Recent observations indicate that this expansion is accelerating because of the dark energy, and that most of the matter and energy in the Universe is fundamentally different from that observed on Earth and not directly observable. The imprecision of current observations has hindered predictions of the ultimate fate of the Universe.

    If “the Universe expanded from an extremely hot,” … meaning, that we are drifting away from the sun. … meaning, that we are getting cool … Meaning…
    Do you get it???, Al

  30. im onto you October 22, 2009 at 8:49 am #

    more lies from that fat fifer gordon brown. they want complete control of us, from this to telling us how we should live, whats good for us, whats bad for us, how we should bring up our children. even kids in school are getting brainwashed about the enviroment as even the teachers have an agenda

  31. Stork October 22, 2009 at 9:37 am #

    You’re right in a sense, we allow the chains in ignorance, they are put on slowly by others. And yes, some may even enslave themselves from selfishness and the like, but that’s not what we are discussing here, we are discussing coming out of ignorance. Name calling and “that’s just the way it is” is of no use.

    But to everyone that is coming out of ignorance (such as myself):

    Forget the Labels, forget the causes, put aside religious wars, and Join Together. The details of freedeom can be worked out after the chains are removed.

  32. Martin Walt October 22, 2009 at 10:19 am #

    This is insane.The Developed nations in this treaty are being blamed for the carbo foot print since 1790.Get a grip and consider what this treaty is doing.
    first off there is an accusation being formed in this treaty,the developed nations since they are responsible for the carbon foot print on the Earth since 1790
    are responsible to finance and also provide technology to the developing nations move into the green movement or the environmental friendly new World Order. Here comes the stab in the heart of the WEST,China has been buying up real Estate in Africa and owns large portions of it,all for resources and yes it now appears to get a hand out.Also this treaty proclaims that areas in China are effected and they estimate per hectare loss of 92.00 per hectare in the regions named. What is really going on here and I hope you people capture this,is if this treaty is signed we are going to be immediately found guilty of the charges this treaty is accusing us of and when and if it is signed we immediately are captured by those who will administrate the demand for the penalty of our guilt!!!!!!! This people is a kangaroo court set up to nullify all of our rights,without even having the chance to excersise our rights to defend our innocence.

  33. Rob N. Hood October 22, 2009 at 10:38 am #

    Pauly Boy, you heroic defender of women and children, in the words of our worst President ever, Bring it on! Ok, that said- what do you think about what Stork is saying??

  34. Rob N. Hood October 22, 2009 at 12:05 pm #

    Oh and then there’s this for you lover’s of the evolving American way of life.

    The UNDP ranked countries and regions based on a number of factors, including their Gini coefficient, named for Italian statistician Corrado Gini.

    They listed the world’s most advanced economies based on their Gini score, with zero marking absolute equality and 100 absolute inequality. Scandinavian countries, Japan, and the Czech Republic have the least amount of inequality. The U.S. is among the most unequal, but it’s not No. 1. To see which economy is, read on…

    Of the Top 11 Countries With the Biggest Gaps Between Rich and Poor – the U.S. is:

    No. 1 Hong Kong
    No. 2 Singapore
    No. 3 U.S.

  35. Maid Marion October 22, 2009 at 12:36 pm #

    Wow, if Rob N Hood, as well as others, that spend time arguing anonymously on the net would get off their tails & get involved…instead of spending hours getting their dander up what could we all accomplish? By the way the poor have always been part of society but what on earth does that have to do with climate changes and the global warming video? Dude…try to stay on topic if you’re going to waste time.

  36. Richard Trumbore October 22, 2009 at 12:54 pm #

    First the progressives preached “global cooling.” When cooling didn’t pan out they preached global “warming.” When warming came under suspicion they combined the mutually exclusive scenarios into a grand unified theory and called it “climate change.” What scares me is that it took so many “world-class” scientists so long to discover that the climate changes. The really cool thing about the grand unified theory is that it’s such a hot idea. –RJT-

  37. Stork October 22, 2009 at 3:39 pm #

    Are people on here promoting the current evolving American way of life? Or are you refering to not wanting to sign this treaty means the status quo? I’m not following you…..

  38. Stork October 22, 2009 at 4:03 pm #

    Martin Walt,
    I haven’t read the entire thing, yet, but, so far, it would appear that this treaty allows for US hegemony to continue on multiple paths. It could be used in vaious ways.
    Does the USA respect the UN or any other establishment today? No, it does as it pleases because noone can/will stop it (yet) and there are advantages for it being the super power in the world by others in power elsewhere. The USA is the power and Israel is an excuse for the PTB to do as they will. The average American will be taxed to support more and more power, but Americans aren’t the only people paying the price. Just look at the world stage. If we become victims like those in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, etc. we will be in shock, but so long as we only pay taxes and suffer inflation we can complain because we are still alive, don’t have to worry about bombs, and can feed our children.
    Allowing this treaty to be signed and confirmed will allow this treaty to be interpreted in the future as it will be by those that are in power to interpret as they will. That is why laws are made once power is corrupted, they are made to be used as weapons to stay the innocent but enable the powerful.
    We, as individuals, are not considered in the large scope of things, the human collective is a resource, just like oil, gas, land, etc… and resources are what it is all about, to be used by the PTB as they will.

  39. Stork October 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm #

    Maid Marion,
    “Off our tails & get involved”, with what do you suppose we should do with our time between jobs and taking care of kids to make a difference? I’m sure many here write/call their congressmen and get involved with one-on-one’s with their friends. Giving of ourselves to those we see in need, helping the widow, giving a ride to the hitchhiker, etc…….are they not “doing something”?

    Maid Marion, provide a list here of some good tasks and let’s see how many takers there are. But you may want to define what the goals are so that we can determine whether we are for or against them. Or, everyone could just hurry up and “do something” and that would just continue the tug-o-war.

    There is a need for discussion on various topics and for waking people up. Demonstrating with signs and banners hasn’t done much to stop the madness. The PTB will do as they please. The force of the people has to be great enough in the same direction that there is no stopping it, that means getting everyone on the same page.

    Right now, the force of the people are at odds with each other, pulling in all directions. And, that’s what we need to discuss……..getting together as one. But even that must be with understanding, otherwise the tugging will be in a random direction. There are plenty of people having their “cause” and many “causes” there are, and many “causes” there will be. But everyone tugging at random will get us no where.

  40. Shaun Davis October 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm #

    OK I dont want to come across as a religious nut here or a conspiracy theorist but what is I see happening is both inevitable and expected.

    This December that treaty will be signed and a new World Government will be formed. The next thing to happen will be the increased power of that world government. The next thing to happen will be the appointment of a world president (probably Obama at this moment in time) and he will take full control of the world 2 years after the treaty is signed.

    Following that will be a world of peace before 7 years of hell on Earth.

    If anyone has read the left behind series, which is a modern translation of the book of revelations….. this news will sound all to familiar!

    The reason why I think a world president will be appointed 2 years after the treaty is signed is based on the end of the Mayan calendar… an ancient civilization that calendar ends in December 2009… there is a film coming out soon called 2012, based on that fact, there are some people that believe mankind will have a new dawn at this time and there is also proof that we will have a galatic eclipse at this very moment in time……. OK, even from a sceptics point of view…… doesn’t this all sound like something from a film!

    Believe me before I started researching I was an atheist, I thought Jesus was a conman and that mankind was an simply the most advanced creature on Earth….. the evidence is overwhelming if you care to look!

    These politicians know how to control the masses, they have been doing it for centuries… did we really need to invade Afghanistan or Iraq, how can Al Gores film be filled with lies, how can the British leader be misleading a nation, how can Obama be a Nobel peace prize winner without doing anything?

    It is all geared to control the masses! They prey on a basic human instinct…. FEAR!

    Gandhi set rules for his followers, one of them rules was to not fear. If we lived our lives without fear then we would not be tricked into going along with such corrupted governments…. the problem we will always have is that to deny fear, denies one of the very attributes that makes us human!

    Therefore we are trapped, trapped into this treaty, trapped into future, trapped into the horrors to come and it has already been foretold!

    Sorry again for sounding as I do but I have been compelled to speak in this way from the information I have discovered from this free world we live in today…. I pray to God that I am wrong

    • mike downing October 22, 2009 at 11:24 pm #

      i agree . time to read a bible and accept the truth. revelation explains it but is a hard place to begin. suggest if anyone is interested that they start at Genesis and read the lot. The only person to fear is GOD and this will become apparent even if a person does not believe.

  41. Paul Wenum October 22, 2009 at 9:19 pm #

    Stork, I quess that is your name, I’m waiting for the 50th day to come to see if we will be five feet deeper in water in New York. Any accord signed by us for a global Cap N Trade would undermine our economy to such a degree that, in my own opinion would far surpass our existing problems with a 13 trillion dollar deficit. I agree with you on one major item. Everyone is pulling in two directions. Either Global Warming exists man-made, or it doesn’t. That’s the primary question that 1/2 says yes, the other 1/2 says no. My question always has been and will continue to be to our elected officials, “When will the American people see a live debate on national TV/radio where both sides present their argument?” To this date I have yet to see it. We can sit here and ramble, chastise, belittle others on this page until we are blue in the face and read rants from some that make you wonder just what kind of chip do they have on their shoulder? A group is only as strong as it’s numbers. So far we seem to be fighting ourselves. Enough said by the “Old Scot.” By the way Stork, you see I’m not anonymous. I have no problem using my name-Period!!! I don’t hide behind fictitious names. I don’t hide, I do.

  42. Robert Ellis October 22, 2009 at 9:21 pm #

    Like Barrack Obama, Gordon Brown also has breath that reeks of bovine scat! Though his appearance does not reveal this fact, he is so narrow-minded that he can see through a keyhole with both eyes AT THE SAME TIME!

  43. Charles Davis October 22, 2009 at 10:58 pm #

    It boggles the mind that so many educated people actually still believe there is merit to the manmade global warming scare, the biggest scam in the history of the world.

  44. Lone Wolf October 23, 2009 at 8:21 am #

    See how far the Gorons will go and how stupid they truly are:

  45. daryl October 23, 2009 at 8:22 am #

    I’m embarrassed to be called British with the type of leaders we have representing the British public namely Mr G Brown. We need a new and relevant governemnt that exhibit true men and women of integrity not the pollookas we have running our establishment at the moment and that des the entire three mainstream or umrella parties…….live in hope don’t we all try. Global warming is just another stealth tax to line the governements pockets and control the masses.

  46. Rob N. Hood October 23, 2009 at 8:37 am #

    Always holier than thou, that’s our Paul. Mr. Integrity. Paul- whether global warming is man-mad or not is not the entire question (although I know deniers love to focus on that). The real point is, if greenhouse gases are causing warming and/or climate change and if all those scientists are correct in their predictions, THEN instead of focusing on what/who is to BLAME, we as supposedly intelligent beings should of course try to figure out what if anything WE can do about the problem. And if that turns out to be changing behaviors, new energy technologies, etc. then of course we should do what we can, right? Anything other than that would be stupidity and arrogance in the extreme. So to continue being DEFENSIVE about the blame game, I think it’s time to move beyond that aspect at least, again if we want to look at it intelligently as rational beings. Or not.

  47. Stork October 23, 2009 at 11:05 am #

    RobNHood, Paul,
    It’s not whether there is climate change, there is and man may have a little part in it, but climate does change and always has. And yes, we should do things responsibly…man is polluting the earth in many ways that it should not. That’s why I mentioned earlier that we need to stop making junk, being one way to help (the war machine is another severe polluter, and GMO’s etc).

    The problem with all this is, like most every other situation, this topic is not being used to promote care taking of the earth, but as a power grab. We don’t need no stinkin treaty to do the right thing, in fact, I doubt that it will accomplish the right thing at all. It will be used to manipulate through yet another means.

    Yes, RobNHood, we need to look at it intelligently as rational beings.

    The world is so hard to decipher, because they have been at it so long. And, only from time to time has there been some, that are in a position to do something good, that have successfully fought to make a difference. In our own history, of the USA, we have examples of warnings given, but our education, religious, and media systems shrink from their responsibility to educate and inform (perhaps by design).

    What the global climate changes may be won’t matter much if there is global slavery. we have examples to see what that looks like in our world today, and much of it is caused by our own country, gaining support through deceit and treatchery.

    Oh, we have such a wonderful earth to live on, to share, to enjoy, to work with. And it supplies wonderful things with a little work. What a sensation to eat a hand picked vine rippened tomatto, to smell the herbs and spices fresh from the garden, the fruit of our labor. That every man, woman and child should have the opportunity to know and live with each day.

    But the world is becoming closer and closer to being like a large corp. feed lot.

    More and more evidence seems to show that mankind may have been here before. I know it’s a fringe theory, but it’s not far fetched. Maybe that’s why prophecy is easy, because it’s a cycle. Has man really changed in the last few thousand years, really? We have lot’s more gadgets, but we still cannot love one another and treat others as ourselves. I used to be a Christian, and was a deep one at that, using the Bible to direct my every decision. But like children, we say “Don’t do that” or “Do this”, yet they return with “Billy did that” or “Jane didn’t do this”, not realizing it was for their benifit that we said it, not to be used against their brother or sister.

  48. Lord Bob October 23, 2009 at 11:21 am #

    Fear not, the global warming nonsense will ebb with time as have other pop eco-fads in the recent past (recall the ozone layer scare?). But it’ll only be replaced with yet another ideological panic by those who are most susceptible to credulity. I suspect the global warming folks are the same ones who think the UFOs come from other planets and god does miracles. They’re more concerned with personal feelings than empirical evidence—-don’t let the facts get in the way of a scary story.

  49. Stork October 23, 2009 at 11:47 am #

    I have used Stork for many, many years, even when playing online games.
    Sometimes I use my real name where it matters, like on CodePlex or other programing sites where I might actually be known personally by some.
    Would you know what kind of person I am if I used my real name?
    I am on the internet on various forums over the years as Stork, and therefore my comments under that name will reveal how I speak on various subjects.
    It’s not really anon if I always use it. I don’t change my nick when I change forums.

  50. lonnie logan October 23, 2009 at 4:03 pm #

    Any president or government rep that signs any treaty or anything such as one, that takes the government out of the hands of the peope and gives it to politicians in other countries is not repeat not an american. We always supported the other countries of the world, unlike some countries, but now are suppose to support the entire world even tho our country is hurting at this time. Don’t let foreign governments run the US.

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