By Ed Morrissey
When Barack Obama spoke of â€œnecessarily bankruptingâ€ coal-fueled electricity producers, he claimed that the explosion in â€œgreen jobsâ€ would replace the workers dislocated by penalizing fossil fuels.Â So far, though, there is little evidence of any explosion in green jobs, or even significant job creation at all.Â As Politico reports, the Obama administration is having to fall back on â€œsaved and createdâ€ language to describe its big investment in the green-collar field:
President Barack Obama heads to an energy plant in North Carolina on Monday to talk once again about the job-creating power of a green economy.
The catch? Nearly three years into Obamaâ€™s presidency, the White House canâ€™t point to much solid evidence that significant numbers of Americans are scoring the green jobs the president has been touting.
Monthly Labor Department employment reports say nothing about the new clean energy workforce, while an effort to document how many Americans actually make a living in the â€œgreen collarâ€ field may not be done by November 2012.
Obamaâ€™s Council of Economic Advisers suggests 225,000 clean energy jobs were either created or preserved through the third quarter of 2010 thanks to more than $80 billion in the economic stimulus package. But those are estimates at best.
At $80 billion, that would mean a cost of $355,555.56 of public subsidy per job created â€¦ or â€œsaved.â€Â At best, as Politico states.
Hey missed you guys… I was out of the country trying to expand my profit margin with our fantastic Isralie friends. Man thy are very shrude people…. Unlike our POTUS…. G.W. Bush use to call this fuzzy math. Green Jobs are not springing up everywhere because the initial cost vs risk is too great. Economics 101.
Sir Knot, if we relied upon “green jobs created” we would be in bankruptcy. Aren’t we now with almost three years of no business plan going forward? I laughed when I heard Imhoft at GE laugh when Pres. Obama spoke yesterday. He was the only one in the group of business people that is financially making a profit with “Green jobs.” A lot off shore by the way and he is our Presidents right arm in dealing with business development/growth in solving the American economy? What a contradiction.
We knew by the example of Spain’s “green jobs” debacle how this would work. What was it that happened there, for every “green job” created was it 2, or 3 jobs were lost elsewhere? I don’t recall the exact figure, but it was bad. Spain is still trying to climb out that hole. What is a “green job” anyway? Is that like wiping the bird poop off of solar panels? Or cleaning up all the bird, and bat guts off the turbine blades?
“This is not just a problem in the US, bungled government programs abound in the EU and elsewhere. One of Britainâ€™s biggest employers in the green energy industry ceased production within hours of a government announcement pledging 400,000 green jobs by 2015. According to The Sunday Times, the Vestas factory in Newport, Isle of Wight, Britainâ€™s only significant manufacturer of wind turbines, closed idling more than 600 people employed at the plant, and a related facility in Southampton.
Vestas is a Danish wind turbine manufacturer and one of the largest green companies in the world. Proving government stupidity is widely distributed, the Scottish government gave Â£10 million in grants to save 100 jobs at a much smaller turbine factory in Argyll just prior to the Vestas announcement.
Also last year, Vestas, announced the closing of five production plants across Scandinavia and cut 3,000 jobsâ€”green jobs. The group said the surge in demand for wind power it had hoped for in Europe had not materialized and it is closing four plants in Denmark and one in Sweden, including one in Viborg where it has been manufacturing since 1989. The company is moving production out of Scandinavia to Spain, perhaps not the brightest of moves.
A Spanish study reports that since 2000, Spain spent $759,899 (â‚¬571,138) to create each â€œgreen job,â€ including subsidies of more than $1.33 million (â‚¬1 million) for each wind industry job. The study also calculates that the programs that created those jobs resulted in the destruction of nearly 110,500 jobs elsewhere in the economy. That means 2.2 jobs were destroyed for every â€œgreen jobâ€ created.”
Gosh, could it be (?!) that Green technology isn’t a priority for the goverment or for industry and that big oil is using propaganda and money to actually fight green technology? Nah, that can’t be the case… no way!!
Republican leadership and priorities:
Paul Richter, The Los Angeles Times: “After the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the George W. Bush administration flooded the conquered country with so much cash to pay for reconstruction and other projects in the first year that a new unit of measurement was born. Pentagon officials determined that one giant C-130 Hercules cargo plane could carry $2.4 billion in shrink-wrapped bricks of $100 bills. They sent an initial full planeload of cash, followed by 20 other flights to Iraq by May 2004 in a $12-billion haul that U.S. officials believe to be the biggest international cash airlift of all time. This month, the Pentagon and the Iraqi government are finally closing the books on the program that handled all those Benjamins. But despite years of audits and investigations, U.S. Defense officials still cannot say what happened to $6.6 billion in cash – enough to run the Los Angeles Unified School District or the Chicago Public Schools for a year, among many other things.”
And Obama has blown enoulgh cash to run the Both the school districts for 1060 years….. ok there was money squandered in Iraq. That is a bad thing. What is worse is the Trillions being squandered now and no one in the media cares. Stop crying over spilled milk and get start plugging the holes we have now.
Now Robbie Boy tell me what your post has to do with Green Jobs??? Nothing so the post you have made is illogical. But at least you Cited your sourse.
They Kill Jobs and result in a net loss of jobs
“Meanwhile, his Environmental Protection Agency has issued new rules on air pollution standards. Though the White House must pray daily for a boost in employment numbers, the EPA is forging ahead with a rule strictly limiting the pollutants that coal-fired power plants may emit — a job killer. The regulation will be the most expensive in the agency’s history — and the results are already beginning to be felt.
American Electric Power, one the largest utilities in the United States, announced that it will close five coal plants, costing 600 jobs, and spend between $6 and $8 billion in capital investments over the next decade to comply with the new 946-page EPA rule. Those costs will be passed on to consumers of electricity, who will see prices rise between 10 and 35 percent, according to the company. ”
“It’s true that Spain has pursued the sort of policies Obama favors, but far from inaugurating a new green-technology era, Spain is floundering. According to the American Enterprise Institute, since 2000, Spanish taxpayers have spent $771,000 per job for each green job created. And each green job has been purchased at the cost of 2.2 jobs lost in other areas of the economy. Spain, its government close to insolvency, has been forced to reverse course, slashing subsidies for wind and solar power. Germany, too, whose citizens have paid 7.5 percent more for energy since the green subsidies were introduced, is reducing support for green sources of energy.”
AND his own pundants even admit the risk is great and noone knows if it is even going to work.
“If the Department of Energy were a James Bond film, Arun Majumdar would be Q, the tech whiz who oversees futuristic gadgets. Majumdar, whose official title is director of the Advanced Research Projects Agency for Energy, helps steer government investments to new energy technologies, some of which he acknowledges may ultimately fail.
“Of course these are risky,” he said. “We don’t know which ones are going to win down the line, which ones are going to actually make it in the market and produce hundreds of thousands of jobs and really change the world.”
“But Ian Shepherdson of High Frequency Economics doubts that the White House or anyone can see into the future with confidence.
“The problem is that usually when the economic cycle gets going, it delivers surprises,” he said. “In the 1990s, the big surprise was the extended tech boom and the birth of the Internet, which I guess no one had predicted very well in advance, and in the cycle of the 2000s it was the housing boom.”
“But the risk, said Economist Jagdish Bhagwati of Columbia University and the Council on Foreign Relations, is how to keep those jobs and prevent them from going to someone who becomes more competitive. The minute the U.S. masters a technology, he says, another country can come along and snatch the advantage.”
Of course these are not the real issue… they attempt to spin the fact that green Jobs or energy can compete with traditional energy because of cost. Remember all cost is passed to the consumer.
Ok. So even if this is true, and I’m not saying it is or isn’t, does it change the fact that AGW theory is a phony, faked, and fabricated fib? I think not.
Neil, You have struck gold… The fact is that even if “Big Oil” is as corrupt and evil as Bob N Hood says it is then lieing about AGW and using that lie to destroy it is objectionable. My moma always told me that 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Now I know thatI am speaking in very simple terms. But you know that we must break it down that way so that someone on here can understand. MR W can’t say well Gov S did it and GOV S cant say well Pres C did it… so on and so on….. Each one of them should stand on their own merit. AGW got debunked and it holds no water. Time to move on right. WRONG we must stand fast untill it is no longer used as a war cry to chang anything. If you want to Shut down Coal then come with truth. As Jesus and DR king said… The Truth will set you free.
You guys act like a lot of money is being spent on AGW. It is not, nor will it, unless things get much worse and the evidence is overwhelming. That was my point for the above post. Much real money is squandered, stolen even, and no one really cares, least of all you guys. But gosh all mighty if it even comes close to being spent for something green you guys hit the roof. You are irrational and illogical. That has always been my point and always will be…
Money? I don’t think Iv’e ever expressed a concern over money when it comes to the AGW theory. What I don’t like is being lied to, and then expected to sit down and shut up. What I don’t like is a bunch of environmentalist whackos, with an aim on advancing a socialist agenda, telling me that I have to drastically alter my life, and lifestyle to save the planet from a non-existant “catastrophe” just so they can destroy the engine of capitalism that is the oil/fossil fuel industy. And then to live a lifestyle that they deem is best. I also don’t like being told what I can and can not buy, like light bulbs, bottled water, or automobiles.
And as far as the billions of dollars that was spent on Iraq, I’m sure some of it was squandered on fraud, waste, and abuse, (and that happens anywhere large amounts of money are spent, in all sectors) but I’m sure most of it was spent on exactly what it was intended to be spent on. Besides, that is in the past now, and the past can not be changed. Was it a mistake? Probably. But why do you bring it up now? Perhaps because you don’t have anything else left?
Really!?!? $1.9 trillion is not alot of money!?!?!?! REALLY!? Oh and dont forget all the Jobs that will be lost from legislation aleady passed.
Here is some real facts to support my assertions……. You need to really work on your fact checking techenique…. Bad facts lead to bad logic.
No one really cares about $6.6 billion missing???? Are you serious? It is a huge story. It has been heavely investigated over the years… But here is the Kicker. You made this look like we just shipped our money over there. Well it was not taxpayer $$$ it was Iraqi cash that had been frozen in the UN Oil for Food program. It was their Money. You also left out the part about the most likely place the money ended up is in the hands of Iraqi officials. Text without context is stupity…. Start checking your work.
Your point has been made but not seriously taken by us or the general public who will eventually pay for your folly if things don’t change. Neil, Sir Knot love your rebuttal. Keep it up.
Heavily investigated? Really? How many people went to jail over it? You guys never change, hypocrites one and all.
The first thing George W. Bush and his people did upon (literally) taking office was to rampage through the Clinton surplus by way of two insane tax giveaways to the wealthiest among us. This was done for one reason: to kill the federal government’s ability to spend money on the citizenry. The Grover Norquist “Drown It In The Bathtub” tactic extended to a pair of wars – one in Afghanistan and the other in Iraq – that became the single greatest defense industry payday in human history…while further denuding the federal government’s ability to spend money on the citizenry. It was not an accident, but a deliberate plan, and from their perspective, it was executed flawlessly. This was a smash-and-grab robbery writ large, and if you think all that money is just “gone,” well, you must not travel in the “right” circles.
The current crop of Republican leaders still play from the same cheat sheet, as evidenced by their desire to annihilate the remaining shreds and tatters of the American economy by threatening to let the debt limit slip, even as they chortle into their sleeves about getting away with several of the greatest American bank robberies of all time. Why are they daring the economy to implode? So they can eviscerate Medicare and Social Security, of course, not to mention collective bargaining rights and the ability of workers to earn a fair wage.
Ok you have lost all sense of reality…. Blame it all on the Republican Party. Everything. What about the Trillions that are going out the door totally unaccounted for and it is all taxpayers money. You are so stuck on bashing Bush you can not see the theft right in front of your eyes… Remember, Hillery and Polise voted to give Bush the authority to go into Iraq. So include them to.
But here is the bigger picture. $1.9 trillion out the door in CAP and Trade that won’t accomplish anything except cost Americans there JOBS!!! $6.6 Billion is a drop in the bucket. That is the big picture. You know why it is missing it is the same reason that FEMA has no idea where 600 million dollars is unaccounted for from Katrina pay outs. There is a rush to get the cash out and reciepts and records are stuffed away. Some get lost others are duplicated to the same person or company 2x or more when you bo back to reconcile it is impossiable. Who goes to Jail???? it is sad and if you can put a case together put them in Jail….. But come on now…$1.9 T is really outragious…. You make me sick. You preach about the Debt ceiling and have no idea a negative effect that would have on the economy. Yes it will hurt not to but it will destroy to do it. News flash slick, the Republicans don’t have to do anything but wait for 2024 to deal with SS or MediCare. They are already failing. “CBO has projected that the balance in the trust funds,
and thus the trust fund ratio, will fall to zero in 2024.” That is not right wing Propaganda it is straight from the CBO 2009 report. Facts, untwisted facts. Bad news though. The rising Debt has caused GDP to decrease and that means that it looks like the new date for ZERO will be colser. the CBO is doing the anaylisis
BUT we are still losing Jobs and spending that 1.9 trillion like there is no worries…. Robbie I don’t know what you do or even if you are one person… Please take time to read and research what you hear and are told. most of what you spit out I know is just cut from some blog and posted without much thought. That is why you bet torn to shreads on this site. Your only defense is calling names and telling us we are illogical yet nothing you say or post can be supported when contested. I suggest you sell your computer take a few econimics classes and get some experence in the real world.
Ok, again. So even if this is true, and Iâ€™m not saying it is or isnâ€™t, does it change the fact that AGW theory is a phony, faked, and fabricated fib? I think not.
Oh, it was “their money”… wow… almost missed that little pearl of wisdom. You guys will believe any right-wing clap-trap that they feed you. Amazing. And sad.
No, we are disgusted with untruths with no facts behind them such as your ranting posts with absolutely no substance absent your constant bashing. Never changes nor will it.
Oh… I see. Pardon me. I’m wrong again, as usual. You guys always know what you’re talking about no matter what the subject. What about the Bush admin theory that all that cheap/stolen Iraqi oil was going to pay for the war itself? Gosh, just another bogus untruth from the Left?? Must be…
wow you twist that one to. Youput the spin by inserting “stolen” into the sentance. Please give me one example of an occurence of a US CO or Government official Stealing Oil or its revenue. Just one. You see one of the big problems is that this was a theroy and it should have been acted on. But there were political powers at work on the left side of the Congress that limited the exploitation of the Iraqi treasure. Yes I used the word “exploitation” it is an accurate word and sure would have saved US taxpayers a bundle.
By the way what happened or did not happen really does not matter. it is over and it can not be changed. What we can change is the way that we are outspending our revenues. Oh I knowyou are going to say we need to raise taxes on the rich. That is ok and fine. I just want you to really study what you are saying. Would it matter if we did??? Probably not. We have already out spent thoes hikes. So if we had we would be in the same situation we are in now. You see the whole tax hike thing would have brought in another estimated $200 million in revenue (bythe estimations of the left). Sorry charlie We over spent by by a few trillion. Where is your objective plan to cut spending…. Remember 64 billion is way short.
Read it Rob, Please read it. And check the reference thy use. Propaganda will lack substanciancing facts but good anaylisis does not.
OBTW… This is also the root of our issues with AGW. It does not withstand scrutenity.
The future has yet to come to pass. Judge in 10 years. Probably when we leave which I as others (conservatives) believe should be soon. That said, no date certain. Learned that lesson years ago. Bush had numerous misjudgments and I agree. Have you?
It’s also the magnitude of those “misjudgements”. And they weren’t misjudgements at all. Cold blooded calculated and typical neo-con rightwing policies.
Your opinion. Let history take it’s course. Always has and always will.
“The three studies released by NSOâ€™s Solar Synoptic Network this week, predicting the virtual vanishing of sunspots for the next several decades and the possibility of a solar minimum similar to the Maunder Minimum, came as stunning news. According to Frank Hill,
â€œthe fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation.â€
The last time sunspots vanished from the sun for decades was during the Maunder Minimum from 1645 to 1700 AD was marked by drastic cooling of the climate and the maximum cold of the Little Ice Age.”
“Clearly, a strong correlation exists between solar variation and temperature. Although this correlation is too robust to be merely coincidental, exactly how solar variation are translated into climatic changes on Earth is not clear. For many years, solar scientists considered variation in solar irradiance to be too small to cause significant climate changes. However, Svensmark (Svensmark and Calder, 2007; Svensmark and Friis-Christensen, 1997; Svensmark et al., 2007) has proposed a new concept of how the sun may impact Earthâ€™s climate. Svensmark recognized the importance of cloud generation as a result of ionization in the atmosphere caused by cosmic rays. Clouds reflect incoming sunlight and tend to cool the Earth. The amount of cosmic radiation is greatly affected by the sunâ€™s magnetic field, so during times of weak solar magnetic field, more cosmic radiation reaches the Earth. Thus, perhaps variation in the intensity of the solar magnetic field may play an important role in climate change.”
“So far, my cooling prediction seems to be coming to pass, with no global warming above the 1998 temperatures and a gradually deepening cooling since then. However, until now, I have suggested that it was too early to tell which of these possible cooling scenarios were most likely. If we are indeed headed toward a disappearance of sunspots similar to the Maunder Minimum during the Little Ice Age then perhaps my most dire prediction may come to pass. As I have said many times over the past 10 years, time will tell whether my prediction is correct or not. The announcement that sun spots may disappear totally for several decades is very disturbing because it could mean that we are headed for another Little Ice Age during a time when world population is predicted to increase by 50% with sharply increasing demands for energy, food production, and other human needs. Hardest hit will be poor countries that already have low food production, but everyone would feel the effect of such cooling. The clock is ticking. Time will tell!”
All I know Neil from what I have read, I’m pre-buying my propane etc. going forward. Nice read. Addition firewood will be nice as well.
We should really plant a lot of trees. We’re going to need the firewood.
On January 19, ATI filed a Freedom of Information Act request with NASAâ€™s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which sought records detailing NASAâ€™s and Hansenâ€™s compliance with applicable federal ethics and financial disclosure laws and regulations, and with NASA Rules of Behavior. Thus far the agency has denied ATIâ€™s request for Hansenâ€™s Form 17-60s (“Application for permission for outside employment and other activity”), and ATIâ€™s request for records of internal discussions about it.
NASA argues the release of the records would constitute a â€œclearly unwarranted violation of Hansenâ€™s privacy rights,â€ and says ATIâ€™s lengthy explanation of Dr. Hansenâ€™s outside work â€œhad not made the requisite showing that the documents requested would contribute to the publicâ€™s understanding of the activities of the Government, or how it would shed light on NASAâ€™s performance of its statutory duties.â€
ATI maintains that NASAâ€™s compliance with ethics laws, and a senior employeeâ€™s outside revenue-generating activities, are patently of public interest, as is clear in the Ethics in Government Act of 1978. Dr. Hansenâ€™s position requires him to file vastly more detailed Public Financial Disclosure filings (Form SF 278), which are made available to the public on request.
“In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.”
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.
Did Confucius say anything about AGW?
You tell me- you just posted another of his quotes- a good one of course. He was a very wise man. So what did you do Jerk, post a quote thaqta you liked because you were trying to poke fun at me…? Do you disagree with the quote I posted, or what? You people don’t seem to know how to sustain discourse logically or debate anything rationally.
“You people donâ€™t seem to know how to sustain discourse logically or debate anything rationally.”? This is an example of what I would call an intentionally provocative statement. There is nothing logical, or reasonable about quoting Confucius to follow what has been previously posted. Come on RNH there is no connection to it at all. Throwing something out of left field not logical discourse. And using the quotes of someone who lived 2500 years ago to rail against America, and Capitalism is not rational debate. For one thing, Capitalism did not exist back then. So Confucius could not be even remotely describing the U.S. And for another thing what Confucius saw as poverty back then is far, far removed from what you see as poverty today. The poor people in America today have a much higher standard of living than than the poor in China of 2500 years ago. There really is no comparison. So it is poor argument even if that’s what we were talking about…….. which it ain’t!!!!
Excellent response Sir knot!
I think You can apply my quote to AGW. The “scientists” have not done enoulgh work to fill in the assumptions so they don’t know what they should know and fill it in with a model that is so skewed that it leads to pure ignorance. Then when they were and are being called on the carpet because there work is falling apart they claim everyone eles is ignorant. So I think it does apply.
Oh, I see. Your example of logic above, which BTW is very similar to my own on this site and critisized continually for, is appropriate for the issue at hand. But mine is not… Isn’t that just a bit hypocritical (or very much so)?
It is not about you Robbie it is about the farce AGW is. You can complain about being treated poorly or how hateful we are. You can even attack The republicans and Bush….. None of that will change the fact that AGW is deeply flawed and is not bringing about the end of the world.
Of Course I was poking fun at you Robbie Boy. I really think you mean well and have a good heart I just think you don’t know what you don’t know and it showes reguarly in your posts. That is why when you are confronted with facts you divert the argument to something else. It like when my kids ask to do something and I won’t let them. They will use the argument that “so and so’s” father will let them do it why won’t I. That argument is not baised on anything that could change my mind just on a juvenile assumption that diversion creates a valid argument.
First you say it’s not about me and then you admit it was…. Make up your mind. Or can’t you? I don’t dis any “facts” and change the subject. That is what you guys have done. Your “facts” are just opinions that you prefer. Which is what we all choose also, but at least I’m not as often hypocritical as you all are. I’ve even admitted some doubt about global warming which is MUCH more human and open-minded than you people ever get near to being. Bottom line is this: you all are MUCH more emotionally dependent upon your beliefs and stance on this issue and all others, than most Liberals or others tend to be. I know you are in denial about that fact, but we all know and your posts are very often testimony to that.
By the way, where are the professed “green jobs?” that were pushed down our throats for the last almost three years? Oops, must be the Republicans up to their old tricks, or is it the left wing liberals stopping our economy by pushing this agenda? Look at the EPA ruling, et al. Just a simple question. Oh I forgot, we have all those “shovel ready jobs” don’t we? Where?
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BTW, the elite are in control, and thus green technology is being developed by other countries much more than the US. Obama is one of these elites, and he is much more conservative than Liberal, thus he has not really done much for green tech, nor of course has any other elite or congress critter that I can think of. In the past the US would be out front with this but not now and we will be sorry about that in the future.
Mmmmmkaayyy. That worked out really well for Spain.
Spain is a “Shining example.” By the way, how many square miles of wind turbines does it take to light up LA as well as solar panels?? Check it out and you will be shocked. Oops, the EPA forgot about the bird population, snail darters or any other varmit that get’s in their way. Forgot about the EPA regs. Darn I must be stupid? Even a neanderthal can figure it out. Check it out and let me know. Simply curious as I always am. Waiting to a direct, concise answer from this guy called “Robbie Boy.”
So you don’t think big oil’s power doesn’t extend into Spain? That their politician’s can’t also be guided/bribed so that anything truly green can be killed in myriad ways? Really? Mmmmkayyyy then Pauly boy and Neily boy.
You have not been paying attention then. I have. First you said it was the elites, now it’s the oil companies? You can’t even keep your story straight.
Spain tried to go the green energy/jobs route and they failed miseralebly. The oil comps had no hand in that, it just plain old didn’t work. I suspect your cranium has substantial density.
He’s reading from the Soros/Gore Doctrine. Never will change with a extreme left wing liberal.
Oh, so logic and reasoning don’t appeal to you? Gosh, now you tell me! (btw some if not most of the elite are involved in oil one way or another). Another Duh moment brought to us by the Right… Not only that but you do realize don’t you that oil, gas, coal, nuclear, are all subsidized one way or another, and Green isn’t at all or not as much by a long shot. Oh, you forgot that fact, or deny that fact, or don’t like that fact?
Chide us all you like about a lack of logic and reasoning. It falls flat when you keep making assertions that we have covered time and time again like subsidies. Do oil companies get money from the government in the form of cash payments? The answer is no they don’t. Do oil companies get tax breaks? Yes they do. But they don’t get any tax breaks that any other company don’t get. So how can you sit there and spew the lie, which is what it is, one of many lies you seem to believe, that they are subsidised? Do some research, and look up some definitions. Oh, but they said it on buzzflash so it must be true! Right? I am tired of dealing with your intellectual laziness. You are not informed RNH, you are woefully misinformed. Have you ever tried to find out anything for yourself? I don’t think you are s.t.u.p.i.d. But I do think you choose to believe idiocy.
“The clone” knows how to toy with people. I’m used to his game and have never taken him serious. Oops, played my card? Sorry.
I want to jump in on this idea that “Big Oil” pays off governments to kill Green energy. Why? What is there motivation??? I just donâ€™t get it. A green energy grid providing power to business and people would not have a negative effect upon “Big Oil” at all. Energy CO’s donâ€™t use Oil to power Coal, Hydro, or NUC energy plants. Sure they use petroleum products to lubricate the turbines and to fuel the fleet of repair vehicles that are used by maintainance crews but that is the extent of it. SO!!!! What is there interest in killing green power production… none, nada, nothing. As we all know “Big Oil” is extremely greedy so why would thy waist $$$$ on bribing officials to do something that would have Zero effect on their bottom line. Now that is illogical. It just does not follow to lump the two together.
Then there is the part about finding new energy. What???? Energy is energy and has been around since before man. It is a physical thing that can be observed. There is a single thing. Now we can talk about finding new ways to generate energy. That sounds logical to me. But â€œnew Energyâ€ not so much. I am all for finding ways to produce energy that are cleaner, safer, and more efficient. But I donâ€™t think there are cleaner, safer, and efficient types of energy out there. I know that I am splitting hairs but that is what I do best. I believe that words mean things and if you misuse them then you can be misleading. SO! Splitting hairs is a good thing if you want a more accurate picture of what is actually being said.
You “don’t get it”??!! Wow.. that’s honest, yet incredibly shocking. It’s a big huge Duh. Plus, I’ve been explaining this to you people for over a year now. My experiment to find any signs of intelligence on this site has come to an end. Dead end…
See you have not one ounce of creditability. I say I don’t get it and you infer I am stupid. Great argument Robbie Boy. Full of logic and reason. Thanks for the shining example of your superior scientific method of finding signs of intelligence. I think your experiment failed because the medium overpowered the equipment. It is like you came here to find an ounce using a thimble to measure it. When it was hit with the Gallons of medium and knocked over your claim is It is empty so there must not be any. So back to
Real knowledge is to know the extent of oneâ€™s ignorance.
If the shoe fits wear it.
And Paul… once again you are (you think anyway) one step ahead of everyone. You can try to dismiss me any way you like, but for every one of you there are 10 or more of me.
How do you know. You havent been out of your room for quite awhile.
They just took off the striatjacket… finally. (There… does that make your wing-nut mind happy?)
We take clones one at a time. Bring them on. Soros likes to re-cycle. Must be a “Green” thing. Indoctrinate, send them out and regenerate when finished with their chore.
The Left doesn’t need to indoctrinate- it’s the Right that has made an art of that process. Much to the detriment of this country.
HA HA ha ha…. WHo is writer? He is funny.
What? That does not make any sense.
That is a good Joke. Who wrote it. You could not have written it. it is way to complex of a satirical syntax for you. I mean come on you can’t be serious. Just look at the heavy indoctrination the takes place in Universities and in Unions. I am not saying that the Right does not do it either. What I am saying is that to say the left does not do it is either a joke or a hyprotical lie. We all know that YOU would not lie so it has to be a joke…right? So seriously who wrote that for you? Where did you cut it from to Paste it to this site…… see now I am being scarstic…
This post of yours highlights practically every negative stereotype of the radical right-wing mentality. Just another example of multitudes that I’ve inadvertantly elicited here. That was not my goal for being here, well not at first. But you were all ready to comply, just by being yourselves. For that, we thank you. Question is: is it really just a stereotype? Apparently not, unfortunately.
Interesting “we thank you”…. How many people are in your head? Even if it is a display of my right wing mentality does that negate the fact that our Universities are weighted so far to the left that to even bring up a centrist POV endangers the scholars that work and study there. I have seen and experienced it first hand. If there is ever a place that open discourse can take place it should be in the setting of a University. But as you demonstrate that just because I am from the Right wing My POV of everything is invalid. That is censorisum at it basic level. That is why we can not have a discourse. You donâ€™t want to hear any other POV. You call us unintelligent? I call you closed minded.
To Robbie Boy, your clone battery is running low. I assume another clone will follow in your path.
By the way. You Soros clones never answer direct questions. Now see why you are leaving. You have no factual answer. It’s not in your genetics I assume.
I cannot pretend to know what you are talking about any further. You have answered all of my questions? Really? Very typical double standard BS from the radical Right.
Well you pretend to know everything else why not keep the act up.
All I need to know is logic and reasoning. You are the know-it-alls…
Saul first verse.
“Logic and reasoning.” Two interesting words that should be used wisely they say, especially reasoning. Suggest you read their meanings? A simple suggestion, not a command. Called reasoning.
Oh, gosh golly gee, thanks Joe for such wise counsel.
Your welcome George.
You’re… so much for the “wise” part…
Thanks for the compliment. More to follow.
hint: it was an English lesson, followed by a small insult…