“I’ve found that the fire actually helps me get to my destination faster.”
He’s spent $38 in gas – in two months! See how, and see what Bob thinks of his new Volt, his fire insurance, and what it’s like to stay home most of the time! For more information, go to http://www.obamavolt2012.com/.
Wow, the Right is really getting desperate. I’d be gloating at this point if I really thought Obama had governed from the actual Left.
Nothing about this spoof seems desperate to me. The best comedy is based on truth, and this is very funny. Desperate? Not!
Yes, desperate for slick propaganda to tie something imagined to be negative to Obama, when there’s barely any connection at all. D-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-e.
The reasons why smart people do not buy Electric or Hybrid cars are: Batteries are expensive, short lived, efficiency isn’t 100 % and the electricity is not free. Going electric you won’t decrease Air Pollution because, 50 % of the electricity is produced by burning COAL. By the way a Jetta Diesel, TDI for $23000 makes 40MPG. With a full tank of Chevy Volt, driving non-stop, you make 37MPG, plus $3 or more, the price of electricity you charged 16.0-kW-hr lithium-ion, the hefty $10000 of the 750-pound battery pack.
Using Chevy Volt, in the Electric Mode Only, Charging and Discharging the battery pack every day, is going to cost you $1000 in electricity, plus $3000 in the battery amortization, with a TOTAL of $4000 per year.
Well stated. Thank you.
If you really knew anything about the car, you would know that the 16 kWh battery only uses a 10 kWh portion. That’s how they’re extending the life of the battery, which has an 8 year warranty by the way. The full charge is typically $1.50 per charge, but is $1.00 per charge at my utilities rate. So for a year, that would average to$250 to $400 if you charge on a commute one way. Or if you charge twice a day it would be $500 to $800 per year. No need for amortization for the battery… after 10 years of use I’ll be ready for my next electric car.
Your Jetta Diesel, over ten years would cost me $50,000. Chevy Volt…. $47,000! Have fun paying for those diesel prices, spraying soot behind you, contributing to pollution more than gas cars, and listening to the rattle of the engine.
Well stated. Thank you.
Wow that’s original. But that’s no surprise that you would copy me, you copy everyone else. Phony.
Right on! Where would we be if we had taken chances, pushed innovation, taken risks, tried something new, experimented even for God’s sake! I can’t imagine the horror that would be like…
My goodness RNH that is so narrow minded. No one is saying that we should not take chances, push innovation, take risks, or try something new. The truth is, and you have seemed to have forgotten because this has come up before, that electric vehicles are not new. The only thing new is the design of the batteries, and they still are not able to supply sufficient power. We have taken chances, pushed innovation, taken risks, tried something new and it is a total failure.
Me narrowminded??? Ok, Neil. (love your ironic humor)
now Neil will perform his Joe Peschi impression… I’m funny? Funny how? Like, I amuuuuse you?! I’m a clown to you or what?!
Wow- the Right’s sugar daddy’s have upped the ante with Swift-boating. That is one slick and well made smear. Never thought I’d see the day when anyone, not least the Right, would target GM of all things like this. But actually I’m not completely surprised. The Right has become bolder over time, more extreme, and take no prisoners. It’s a natural progression given the way things go, in cycles, from one extreme to the other. Except that politically the pendulum swung to the Left in the late 60’s and only briefly. Since then the line between Right and Left has been pushed way to the Right, and the aveerage Democrat is much further Right than ever.
realclimate.org
chevron.org
correction: chevron.com
exception to the rule
– From 2006 to 2011, GE’s net federal income taxes have been negative $2.7 billion, despite $39.2 billion in pretax U.S. profits over the six years.
– Over the past decade, GE’s effective federal income tax rate on its $81.2 billion in pretax U.S. profits has been at most 2.3 percent.
Back when I was a young sprout there was a commonly held notion that what was good for US corporations was good for the US. No longer. Corporate greed and the growth of competing economies with lower labor rates and emerging consumer classes led to the decoupling of corporate and national health as the CEOs essentially told the world’s most productive manufacturing workers to get lost.
There have been absolutely no repercussons from that decision–except for those on the receiving end. Given that some of the biggest jobs exporters, eg GE’s Jeffrey Immelt, are so tightly wired into Washington insider circuits, it’s hard to imagine the emergence of any policy even remotely friendly to the used and abandoned US worker.
The sad part is that we really could fix this if there was the will to. One only need look to Germany, the world’s leading exporter and a nation whose manufacturing workers are far better compensated than those in the US, to see that strong profits and high wages aren’t incompatible despite claims from our bought and paid for media. In the meanwhile I buy American whenever possible and Chinese only if absolutely unavoidable. But screw you too GE.
WTF!?!?!?!
Please be more specific, if you can Neilio. Your little outburst above is inane without a little more info.
That was an expression of exasperation at trying to enter a comment, and then the comment would not post. Now why would you think it was directed at you? It’s not all about you here.
Wall Street must be effusively thankful for what the Tea Party, the Right Wing and FOX News claim: Obama is a “socialist.”
After all, that must be the reason that the stock market climbed to the highest level in five years on February 28, according to ABC News:
The Dow Jones industrial average closed above 13,000 for the first time since 2008, capping a remarkable run-up in stocks that has coincided with a revival of consumer confidence to levels not seen since well before the econ0mic downturn began.
It takes a “socialist,” apparently, to create a financial environment in which the stock market has been soaring.
This morning the unexpected news came that conservative internet publisher Andrew Breitbart has passed away.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/03/01/memorium-andrew-breitbart#ixzz1nsjpU6Gw
Our dying political system is unwilling and unable to address joblessness and the widening class divide because our misery isn’t an aberration. It’s an inherent manifestation of corporate capitalism. Ordinary Americans understand this. Half the citizens of this “conservative” country already prefer socialism, according to a Gallup poll conducted in December—watch that go up—yet the political class dares not question the Crappy Economic System That Must Not Be Named (or criticized, or changed!).
Ted Rall, and me
Um, Huh? I did some checking on that on the Gallup website, and the poll mentioned by Mr. Rall does not exist. So it is either an out and out lie, or he is mistaken as to which polling group conducted said poll. My money is on out and out lie.
Neil, you are talking to a troll. This person gets pleasure on ticking people off. Must be in his genes (Left wing liberal genes that is) Take him out of the equation and there is no need to post. Climate changes naturally. Very simple and now under consideration by”normal thinking” American as well as other countries. This Robin Hood is a joke. I just took a break from working and could not stand what I just read from this……. individual called “Robin Hood” What a legend in his own mind. People like him never cease to amaze me in their utter disregard for others. Always, Me, Me, Me! Look, cannot you see me? attitude adjustment needed for him I sense? Enjoy your conversation with a troll. I will not any longer. Have better things to do with my life. How about you?
The discussion is getting personal. Please see the site’s posting rules and stick to the issues.
Yeah he must have lied. Only your sources are genuine and impeccable. And there’s Joe, accusing others of “me me me” when that is what he is all about. Joe- I will not attempt any dialogue with you so you don’t have to worry about it- you are way too illogical and irrational for even me to abide.
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Are you kidding? “Only your sources are genuine and impeccable.” So by that you meant what? That my sources are not genuine or impeccable, right? And by inferrence you mean that Rall’s source is, right? Well I checked Gallup’s own website. Which is the source Rall cites. Which makes your statement id-iotic.
Wow- I used similar language used byt Neil and got deleted. Thanks Dan, and I have actually praised your stweardship of this site more than anyone. Oh well. As for Neil above- you are again jumping to conclusions based upon your own fevered mind. MY POINT was (I thought very obvious) that you were being hypocritical and using a double standard. I SAID NOTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THE VERACITY OF YOUR SOURCES (and you can’t recognize sarcasm…why??). Although at times I have questioned your sources, this time I did not. Please read my simple english more carefully, it will reduce future misundertandings and also temper tantrums.
Oops my criticism of Dan below appears to have been a bit premature cuz good ol’ Neil got censored too. As well he should have…Anger Management anyone?
above…. sheesh
What can I say? You bring out the worst in me.
Oh, BTW though Joe, one last thing. It does however fill me with pleasure knowing that you “can’t stand” me (or what I post anyway). It is not about me- I however represent a huge slice of our population (thank the Lord) and your slice happens to be a bit smaller (also thank the Lord) and MUCH MUCH more extreme. IN fact due to the above fact, I am not extreme at all vs. you and yours. And rather than take offense to that perhaps you should own it, not deny it. Or not- denial is a very powerful defense mechanism, only overcome by strong-willed and rational individuals.
End of “dialogue” with Joe…
Rob you are an special person…and we have special bus’s for you special people. I still shake my head at your rants. That is the most contorted pack of nonsensical gibberish I have encountered on any site I have seen. You win the purple ribbon! Congrats Rob!
I’m so (not) impressed with your rare and inane posts. You guys are just defensive because deep down you know you are a minority, and you don’t like that.
An special person like you?
I have still been looking for that poll mentioned by Rall….. to no avail. But I did find this poll from Jan. of this year.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
“PRINCETON, NJ — Political ideology in the U.S. held steady in 2011, with 40% of Americans continuing to describe their views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This marks the third straight year that conservatives have outnumbered moderates, after more than a decade in which moderates mainly tied or outnumbered conservatives.”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
See, this is why I don’t believe Liberals. You believe anything you read, defending, agreeing with Rall’s blog because you so want it to be true! When it is a complete fabrication. Not only is it not an actual result of an actual poll I find an actual result to an actual poll that is at odds with what Rall asserts. You are either complicit, which means you understand that what you say is not true, or you are a complete and collossal dupe! I don’t care which, the result is the same… factless rantings.
But Neil- that is ONE survey and is all depends on the questions and wording etc. When OBJECTIVE criteria is used with regard to what services people believe in for them selves and what role government should have it IS heavily “Liberal”. And it isn’t just one survey that shows this. Your cherry-picked stuff is anecdotal. What you choose to believe is fact-less, in reality. That is what makes you so ironic and sad, and wrong-headed. You can go on believing whatever you want, but just because you choose to believe what you want doesn’t make it fact. (Plus your study above isn’t even talking about the same things I was, or Ted Rall was referring to.- Again apples and oranges, but you cannot perceive that either and will think I’m trying to trick you. Very sad.) Political ORIENTATION is one thing- details about people’s opinions re: detailed items are ANOTHER.
Yeah, you could say the same about the survey that doesn’t exist if it existed. You WISH this country was as liberal as you foolishly believe it is. This country has always been about a 1/3 on one side, 1/3 on the other, and a 1/3 that don’t care. But I don’t care if you think that. Go ahead and think that.
I also think it’s funny because you posted a comment from someone elses blog whose entire point was centered upon a survey of the same nature, a survey BTW that I am still unable to locate. I think most people understand that any survey can be interperated to say what ever the polster wants it to say, and should always be viewed with a heavy dose of scepticism. But in this case I only posted the survey to illustrate the fact that the survey that Rall cites was not found on Gallup’s website, but there was one that said the opposite. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
And Neil you don’t have to BELIEVE anyone, nor are we/I asking you to do so. It’s all about logic, reason, and intelligent connecting of dots. To simply disbelieve is as easy as anything, and a cop out actually.
I think you should look up the definition of logic. If your logic is based on false premises, as I believe it is, then logic will not bring you to a truthful conclusion.
I don’t have to look it up. I know it, and demonstrate it constantly. Some things don’t exist just because you are able to post a defintion, or even explain it. You either have it, or you don’t, apparently. A timely example is your question below. It is not logical. If you believe it is, please go ahead and explain how it is logical, and then I will undoubtedly have to explain back to you, in some detail, how it is not. Shall we?
I think you do.
Oh so you do not rise to anotehr challenge… why is that? You seem so sure of yourself, but…. And then all you come up with is the “I know you but what I am I?” argument. Lamo.
That’s because what you are engaged in is not a challenge. It is a delaying action.
Why do you
Have to post
multiple posts
All the time?
Calm
down
Neil…
The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it…. A violently active, intrepid, brutal youth – that is what I am after … I will have no intellectual training. Knowledge is ruin for my young men.
-Adolf Hitler
Chev. Volt
Pros:
Outstanding mileage – nearly 140 mpg after 13,000 miles. Ride as good or better than our old BMW. Awesome technology. Love this car.
Cons:
Small back seat.
Overall review:
The Volt has exceeded expectations in every respect. It is fun to drive, the hatchback makes it surprisingly practical, it is nice looking and incredibly cheap to operate (costs less than $1.30 to drive 40 miles on all electric mode). It has all the advantages of an EV but also all the advantages of unlimited range like a regular gasoline car. It drives like a terrific German Sports sedan. It needs hardly any maintenance (the oil is above 70% with 13,000 miles).
Pick an identity and stick with it, please.
I was called Neilio by someone and I liked that name. I switched to it last week but you, being very busy I’m shure, seemed to be taking a very long time to moderate the comments under that name so I went back to Neil F. I am switching it to Neilio now and will stick with that, but that was the only reason I went back and forth. I don’t know who else is switching their identities.
It takes more electricity to refine a gallon of gasoline than an electric car uses to drive 30 miles.
That may be true, but name me one EV that can go 100 miles on one charge. The most is 40 miles, and then you have to either re-charge the battery, or switch to an ICE. Is that ideal? Not in my view. Like I have said numerous times, you can get one if you want to. But do not tell me I have to drive one. I prefer an ICE, but that’s me.
Neilio- where oh where above did I even suggest you should buy one or even drive one…?! Please tell me, and I will SHUT UP FOREVER.
Well? Isn’t that what you advocate? Don’t say you don’t. I know you haven’t said “you Neilio, must drive a prious”, but is it not the goal of the environmental left’s green movement to get everyone driving them? And are you not a supporter of the environmental left’s green movement?
Neil- please… I’m just responding directly to your own words printed above. ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU. You have that Righty trait of egomaniacal leanings. So, you fail and I will not shut up forever.
Like you would if I did?
My God Neil are you being set up. I took a break from doing reports for clients and will retire shortly. This Hood guy is a”legend in his own mind” isn’t he? Reminds be on a spoiled child. Finally, you can argue with the Troll untill the earth freezes over or the astoroid that may hit us in 2013? I assume you read about it? You are having discouse with a non-entity. Obama and Soro’s are proud of him and justly so. He does an exellent job in the world of denial of facts and details. Take care Neil.
Oh Joe? Are you refuting the above? If so prove it, and yourself. Otherwise it is you who is in the world of denial of facts.
Oh and yes Neil…!! Be vewwy vewwy cawreful…. he’s a twicky wabbit…
Really… I am that scary?! Neil needs to be warned, by an Elmer Fudd?! Are you Rightys that feeble?
Fun fact from Mr. Scary: about 11 percent of the atmosphere’s methane comes from the farts of termites; 21 percent is emitted from livestock.
Now Neilio will tell me in no uncertain terms that he has neither livestock or termites and that I need to lay off! Yeah, well, you sure about them termites Neil?
I don’t know a thing about methane sources. I do know that it’s presence is an even smaller percentage than that of CO2. Both are trace gases. A trace gas is defined as having a less than 1% presence in our atmosphere. All gases are trace gases exept nitrogen, and oxygen.
Methane happens to be a powerful greenhouse gas. Why don’t you know that? I think you do know that. My fun fact was just that. Virtually meaningless, but nonetheless interesitng I thought.
Powerful? Define powerful. Oh, I’m sorry I know how you disdain definitions. Let me! 1. Having or capable of exerting power. 2. Effective or potent. So you probably mean the 2nd definition. I don’t think a gas that is measured as 1.79 ppmv (0.000179%) of our atmosphere could be said to be powerful. But that’s just my opinion.
Uhh… Neil(io). I don’t just make stuff up. Your little exercise above is meaningless, mostly by the fact that I was alluding to the dire possibility of methane to INCREASE into our atmosphere. Plus… oy ve… the number you so precisely display, doesn’t have anthing to do with its properties via global warming, and posted as such to obviously try to mock my post. In other words- your post is worthless. Try again.
The dire possibilty for methane to increase in our atmosphere? Just how is that going to happen? The sources you cite above are natural sources. Would there be fewer cattle if we didn’t eat them? Do you seriously believe that termites are going to cause global warming? Can you do math at all? I’m not very good at math but at least I can look at a number, or a percentage and see if it is significant. At the moment it is not. .000179% of methane in the atmosphere has the same GWP (Global Warming Potential) as .003759% of an atmospheric concentration of CO2. That would be 3,759 ppmv of CO2! So if there were any truth to the theory that these trace gases were adversly affecting the climate, it would already be obvious.
If you don’t understand what I just said, let me put it another way. If you were to remove all of the methane from our atmosphere right now, and increased CO2 in our atmosphere to 4,150 ppmv the net effect would be 0.0. That is because the “greenhouse” effect that the current level of methane in the atmosphere has is the same effect as 3,759 ppmv of CO2. So if the “greenhouse” theory is correct we should be burning up by now, the seas should be boiling. But they’re not. Why is that RNH?
I’ll tell you why. The energy budget of the Earth is self regulating. And what is this main regulator? It’s called water vapor. Water vapor is over 99% of all greenhouse gases RNH. That is why CO2, methane, and don’t forget NO2, don’t mean anything. The amounts of those gases are miniscule and meaningless compared to water vapor.
You are a victim of fearmongers.
Neil- perhaps you need to slow down your feverish mind and READ. PERMAFROST, as it thaws releases methane, which in turn creates a warmer temp thus more thawing, etc. How is that difficult to grasp? Again- your numbers and percentages are MEANINGLESS because you entirely AVOID the bigger picture. You are trying to debate- that’s great- but you are failing to make any kind of substantial rebuttle beyond your regular manner. The earth may indeed be “self-regulating.” I actually beleive that although I wonder if you truly do. But that is beside the point. I may be a “victim” of common sense and open-mindedness. You however are a victim of ubiquitous propaganda.
“would there be fewer cattle if we didn’t eat them?” Really Neil? Do you really expect me to answer that? Is that your example of a logical and rational question? Apparently it is. I was just going to let it go, but I couldn’t, but will drop it now to avoid further embarassment.
And it brought out more defensiveness from you, for no apparent reason, which demonstrates something… your inherent intractability?
And well, now you do know something about methane sources! Isn’t this site educational? Permafrost holds a LOT of methane, and as it thaws it releases it. If that begins to occur it would be a positive loop feeding itself so to speak. Potentially very detrimental to global homeostasis.
Methane is also released from the ocean floor, as well as other certain bodies of water, and at a higher rate when they warm too. But permafrost alone has the potential to release a huge amount of methane, in a relatively short period of time.
Does a cow make a sound in the woods if there is no one there to eat it? 😉
Ladies & Gentlemen, the car simply does not work with today’s technology. Very simple actually.
Yup, the cow does make a sound… someone left the barn door open.
I guess the barn door let the pigs out?
ah ha ah ha ah ha… (keep your day job).
You as well. Hope you spend more time on business than you do this site.
Very authoritarian statement coming from a “Libertarian”. Par…for…the…course.
The Wall Street protests are, as during the Depression, a demand for restoring the American Dream; for letting more people into it. The Tea Party seeks a solution in returning to original American principles of hustling, i.e. of a laissez-faire economy and society, in which the government plays an extremely small role. Thus they see Obama as a socialist, which is absurd; even FDR doesn’t fit that description. There are great differences between the two political ideologies, of course, but both are grounded in a deep malaise, a fear that someone or something has absconded with America.
Just how will more people “get into it’? Talk is cheap. Tell us neophites all knowing one. Waiting.
Many of my posts refer to your question above, in one way or another. If you haven’t really paid attention up till now, please review previous postings, or await patiently for my future words of wisdom. They shall be forth coming, much to the chagrin and vexation, I beleive, of good ol’ (young) Neilio. Or if you so desire- feel free to observe the progress of OWS. It is a very brave and wonderful thing they are all doing. But I don’t need to tell you that, since you have asked about how to “get into it”. Well, that is the question of the day, is it not? Indeed. Well said sir, well said.
I have “Been in it” in the sixties. You as others revert to the past and have never learned. Nothing is Free in life but you and people like you still believe it. Finally learned that a person earns it. Never handed to you, awarded, selected, because of race, religion social standing, et al. “Earned” is the word. Apparently you are still a neophite and are on the learning curve. It shall come as you grow/mature. If not, you and others that think like you will have a problem in the future. Enough pontificating by this old man.
So OWS is not trying to “earn” anything? Is that your opinion? (forget about me- you know nothing about me; such as I’ve been earning money by working since I was 14- still am at age 50).
You still don’t know do you. Sad.
So you aren’t going to answer a simple question? Ok then. Hypocrite.