From the UK Gaurdian
Barack Obama emerged from the chaotic final hours of the Copenhagen summit last night having salvaged an agreement for action on global warming â€“ and his own reputation as a politician who can bridge the most challenging of political divides.
After 15 hours of negotiations, an exhausted looking Obama said he managed to secure a deal on climate change incorporating America’s three main goals of emissions cuts, financial aid for the poorest countries, and a measure of accountability for emissions pledges from developing countries.
But he acknowledged the skimpy 2.5 page draft produced at the end of his effort was not the comprehensive agreement he had come to Copenhagen for.
“I think it is important that instead of setting up a bunch of goals that just end up not being met, that we get moving,” he said. “We just keep moving forward.”
Obama’s hectic day of negotiations began immediately on his arrival in Copenhagen, when he encountered what he described as a “fundamental deadlock” between rich and developing countries.
Much of that was a product of the deep resentment at America for its emissions reductions target: a 17% reduction over 2005 levels by 2020. That offer too was conditional on Congress passing climate change legislation. In the final days of the summit, a more vexing issue emerged over America’s demands that China and other rapidly emerging countries offer an accounting of their actions to curb the growth of greenhouse gas emissions.
Thank God there is no written/signed agreement. I will sleep easier tonight..
We can all sleep easier, till the next meeting at least.
Let’s make sure there is no next meeting. Keep exposing the lies, and uphold the truth. Now is not the time for complacency. It’s time for follow through and a death punch.
Complacency/failure is not in my vocabulary. Failure is not an option.
Please tell me you are re-examining your fears re: a Socialist take-over, due to this blatant slap down for Obama and the cause to save humans from themselves. Be as rational and logical as you can before you answer that…
Once you are rational, my thoughts will follow. Not before.
Nice cop-out, again, Paul. And MAYBE I was referring to other people besides you Paul….?! Oh, yeah, the world, such as it is, revolves around you, I know.
And poor Dan… He’ll have to go back to just his boring Minnesota Majority work. Oh well. The fun never lasts… But MAYBE he can keep this site going with more right-wing hysteria. I’m sure it could work… It certainly is EFFECTIVE. Saving the planet for humans and other large mammals was just shot down, so hey the next issue will be a breeze comparitively.
This site will go on with or without you are I. As to “Minnesota Majority,” I will support them as long as they espouse what I, as well as others support and firmly believe in. “We the People.” If not, they will not have my support. Very simple. Remember, we are not lemmings like you seem to think we are. Fortunately Rob we actually think, we don’t react in a chastising way when people don’t agree, that is unless it is necessary to do so. Take care my friend.
Oh I know you think… that’s not the problem. It’s how you think that concerns me and other tolerant peace loving people. The problem is your beliefs are supported by, in large part, by the truly powerful, who are very good at manipulating people, using those people’s intrinsic impulses, all to their own advantage. And they have slowly gotten more powerful over time- and they will not be satisfied with what they have, they will always want more, and they will continue to use whatever means is necessary, so far in a seemingly “peaceful” and cunning manner.
I and many other Liberals are at this point very disappointed in Obama. And unless he starts acting for the middle and lower classes, instead ot the powers that I have been talking about, we will not vote for him or very many other Dems either. We have seen thru the fog of disinformation and deceit on both sides, andhow they are owned and operated by the very wealthy global elite. This is not some kind of Skull and Bones type group; excepting of course certain groups such as the Bilderberger’s, and the Trilateral Commission, etc. Those groups are real, and significant things occur in those groups that they don’t share with the world. The real evil, that they worship, is unregulated corporate libertarian capitalism. It is an entity in and of itself and it is dominating and running amok all over the world, to the detriment of average hard-working people, and others who for reasons beyond their control are needy. Many people are finally starting to become aware of this, as it is effecting their lives on a daily basis and is no longer hidden in the background, due to the greed of those in charge of these global corporations.
“The Object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
In other words- The Repubs will likely win big the next two elections, mainly because depressed and demoralized people like me will refuse to participate in the unholy and rigged game they call “democratic” elections. And you guys are energized again and will turn out in record numbers. And we will then sink deeper into this mess. It’s very sad, and very disheartening to many people. Truly these are dark times. Maybe the bible is right after all.
Copenhagen is just one small victory for us, in that no binding treaty emerged. Next, the fight moves to the Senate where they are deliberating on a domestic cap and trade bill. Should the bill die in the Senate, we still have Obama and his rogue EPA to contend with – and above it all, exposing that the premise behind all these runs at our prosperity is a lie. Until the myth of global warming is thouroughly destroyed, it will continue to serve as an excuse to pillage. Of course, once Global Warming fantasies are finally crushed, a new scam will be concocted, but it buys us time and sets them back.
Dan Thoroughly agree. As to Rob and others, don’t be demoralized, be energized that “We the people” on the net, polls, etc. took on the people you detest. One step forward and a thousand steps yet to go. No backing off. Cap N Trade is next on the radar to save untold Americans their jobs! I like my family and other families working, don’t you Rob?
Small victory? Don’t be so modest, please. You are correct about the elite not stopping at fleecing us… So why don’t you guys get angry about the Banksters? Is it because they wear suits and nice pressed shirts, and vote Republican?? They ripped you off BIG TIME, just recently, and got away with it, and so will do it again and again. I guess that is ok with you, it must be… Apparently only things ostensibly coming from the “Left” are suspect and deserving of the wrath from the likes of you.
Perhaps you didn’t notice that it doesn’t say “BailoutScam.com” at the header of this site. I can’t speak for everyone (I can guess, though), so I’ll just say I’m mad as hell about the bank scam. We got screwed. I was pissed off when Bush started the bailouts and I just got angrier as Obama continued to pour even more of our wealth down the toilet to prop up millionaires and billionaires. If you will peruse MinnesotaMajority.org, you will see that we were strongly opposed to this rip-off and bashed Bush over it (What? Can’t be – we’re just paid by big oil to prop up the Republican Party, right?). Here, I wrote about Bush initiating the auto makers’ bailouts and TARP. http://www.minnesotamajority.org/Home/tabid/112/EntryID/137/Default.aspx
Dan, I backed President Bush through 911, etc.. That said, he spent more and vetoed less than any democrat absent President Obama. As to the bank fiasco, I agree. Having a banking background, along with my father, the bailout was the worst thing the happened. Let the market correct itself. Enough said.
Ok, so we agree on that as well. Dan I am doing this I guess to see if wwe have anything in commom… and there are things I have discovered in common. That should be the point of any site like this. Don’t be so narrow. Try to build on this for something greater. I could be both: because now that global warming has taken a harsh beating- (it won’t go away, but it is now much diminished). Cap and Trade needs continued focus, but let’s start tackling the REAL enemy, and we need to set aside certain differences to do that. Too many sites, mags, radio shows, etc. do nothing really but divide us. Think about this seriously please- all of you- I am serious, we need to band together or we have no chance AT ALL ! They keep us ffighting the individual issues, and some people are interested in that and others not so much etc. And the REAL issue gets little or no attention. We need to stop that kind of activism- it has been done that/this way forever, and other than a very few successes, mostly it fails. But do what you want, I’m just suggesting something that seems extremely crucial.
Rob, You have nothing in common, period!.
Thanks for playing Paul. You are the one who should go away. You are more often than not like a 2 year old who wants the world his way or no way. What do you really want? A dictatorship by a Paul clone? Or no rules or laws? Get Real.
I’m very real. Are you? My thoughts/statements are that of the MAJORITY of American’s that I listen to that will hopefully get us out of this mess without the government telling us when to caulk our windows, how and what car to buy, what light bulb to burn/purchase, how warm or cold we should have our house, what to eat, not to eat, how fat or thin we must be, paint our roofs white, have health care or get fined, what health test you cannot take because we are to old and the cost/benefit does not match some idiot in Washington, pay taxes of 50-60%, of what you make so that everyone feels “equal,” The list goes on and on. That is the difference pure and simple and I’m not even started!!! As always stated. Truth prevails in the end. Always has and always will. Will it in my Lifetime? For the sake of my daughters, daughters future children, I hope I live to see that day.
Paul, none of the things you say you are afraid of have happened or probably will. Why don’t you pay more attention to what is actually happening and get angry about THAT. Seems every time I post something to that effect you resort to “killing-the-messenger” and/or ranting about something else. It’s strange how only certain issues rile you people up. And in doing so, you miss a lot that is very important and potentially even more impactful to you/us.
Paranoia will destroya.
Ignorance will bury America. Heaven help us!
Thankfully, you people are a minority. But you are controlled and influenced by powerful sources. You are the sheeple; tools for the wealthy elite and the CIA.
Minority today, Majority tomorrow. Yes, we are controlled by “powerful sources” called the “American people.” As I have stated numerous times. “Truth prevails.” Never forget that my friend.
IF the average American had any power we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in. You talk in circles Paul… leading you nowhere.
The “average american” has the “Power” and they don’t even know it, nor do they in my opinion care! It is people like you and others that don’t believe in the power that you have! Negative attitudes brings negative results. Was at a New Years Eve Party with ten-twelve 29-30 year old college grads. Not one, and I mean not one, knew anything about the health care bill, cap N trade or other pending bills that would effect them. Oh yes, they knew Bush and what they had heard about him and the “bad republicans!” I felt like a baby killer. After discussing the issues, asking questions, at least three went home with numerous questions about how to vote, why to vote etc. I’m personally afraid for the future of my grandchildren if things don’t change. Unfortunately, at my age it will not effect me, but it WILL effect them.
Have you considered the idea that they don’t care because they know it’s a rigged game?
That came up in discussion. If you ask a question that has a factual answer that they have never researched, READ about, etc. they are amazed at what they DID not know when shown the real answer. Yes, they think everything is “rigged” because they were taught that it college. That came up in our discussion as well. Nice Universities that we have. A friend just retired at a Professor from the University of Wisconsin. My God is he left wing, however, I had him read one of Bill O’Really’s recent books and he claimed he agreed with 80% of it. I now have to read one of his. Still waiting for its arrival before I depart next week. Will definitely be an interesting read to say the least, whatever book he chose. Hopefully not the history of socialism.
And I will predict you will agree with only 20% of it, if that. Your lefty friend is like most of us leftys- we are NOT rigid, and will admit when we are wrong or have learned something new. In fact, that is a main difference- we are willing to learn new things. Plus “logic” can be flawed depending upon the personality of the person “deciding” what is their logic. The key is to know the difference, and to keep personal biases out of logical thinking.
Have a nice trip to your warm destination. Have a nice time. I’ll be back here working two jobs, and paying into Social Security. I hope none of that nasty commnist/socialist Social Security is paying for your trip. I’m sure it isn’t, after all you are 100% against that kind of thing, right?
Will think of you when at the grocery store with a coupon in my hand.
Nice come back. Tear falling onto keyboard… Not.
Don’t weep too much you might blow a fuse/circuit breaker and they are expensive. I’ve never seen a coupon for a circuit breaker or a fuse. If so, I would have one. Bye the way, a circuit breaker shut down yesterday and couldn’t get on the net. Found the box behind a picture after two hours! Must be karma or bad mojo??