Global Warming: Fail. Ocean Acidification: Fail. Climate Disruption: Fail. What next? Maybe Drunk Fish?
By Wendy Zuckerman
Carbon dioxide in the ocean acts like alcohol on fish, leaving them less able to judge risks and prone to losing their senses. The intoxication adds to the threats that global warming and ocean acidification pose to marine ecosystems.
Around 2.3 billion tonnes of human-caused CO2 emissions dissolve into the world’s oceans every year,turning the water more acidic.
Philip Munday and colleagues at James Cook University in Townsville, Queensland, Australia, have previously found that if you put reef fish into water with more CO2 than normal in it – similar to the levels expected in oceans by the end of the century – they become bolder and attracted to odours they would normally avoid, including those of predators and unfavourable habitats.
With the recent scandals involving researchers lying about their research findings, ie the polar bears, red wine, and don’t forget the guy in Sweden that admitted lying about all of his behavioral studies.
I tink this is bogus! Phooey!!!!!
Sorry, not Sweden. It was a guy in Denmark. (See my posts below).
Woops, it was a Dutch psychologist in the Netherlands, I meant to say.
James Cook University looks as if the “Cooked the books.” Anything to get attention to a non-exact professed science.
Of COURSE it’s bogus…. who believes “Science” anymore! It’s as if “Science” is based on theories, that by definition, can sometimes turn out to be proven false! Of course that also means that some is proven true… And add in the fact that we are in the midst of the information age, and are inundated daily by info and data, etc. etc. It becomes annoying at times, does it not, and even to the extent that we sometime just want throw the baby out with the bath water.
There are a few examples. I’m not making it up.
………..And there is a big difference between falsifying data, lying and soforth, and having a theory proven wrong. BIG difference.
Of course no one would do that… would they?
http://www.care2.com/causes/put-down-that-glass-red-wine-is-not-good-for-you.html
“Attention, wine lovers! If you thought drinking all that red wine was good for you, think again. It turns out that the University of Connecticut researcher who announced that red wine has anti-aging qualities and is good for your heart was lying.”
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-arctic-scientist-under-investigation-082217993.html
“Charles Monnett was one of the scientists whose observation that several polar bears had drowned in the Arctic Ocean helped galvanize the global warming movement. Now, the wildlife biologist is on administrative leave and facing accusations of scientific misconduct.”
http://www.lifenews.com/2005/11/28/bio-1201/
“A Korean television station whose investigative report was the nail in the coffin that prompted human cloning scientist Hwang Woo-suk to admit he lied about egg donations his researchers made says he may have lied about the results of his research as well.”
http://articles.boston.com/2011-08-10/news/29872807_1_research-misconduct-research-integrity-papers
“A cancer researcher and assistant professor at the Boston University School of Medicine Cancer Research Center fabricated data in two papers published in scientific journals, federal authorities announced.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/02/us-dutch-scientist-fraud-idUSTRE7A12PL20111102
“A Dutch psychologist has admitted making up data and faking research over many years in studies which were then published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
Diederik Stapel, a psychologist working at Tilburg University in the Netherlands, said he had “failed as a scientist” and was ashamed of what he had done, but had been driven to falsifying research by constant pressure to perform.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/03/rasmussen-poll-69-say-it%e2%80%99s-likely-scientists-have-falsified-global-warming-research/
“The debate over global warming has intensified in recent weeks after a new NASA study was interpreted by skeptics to reveal that global warming is not man-made. While a majority of Americans nationwide continue to acknowledge significant disagreement about global warming in the scientific community, most go even further to say some scientists falsify data to support their own beliefs.”
These kind of things are what happens when you get a portion of the scientific community that falsify data, make outlandish claims based on computer models, hide their methods, and lie about the results. On top of that they get away with it and are heralded as heroes and saviors of the Earth. Other researchers in different branches see that, know those others are lying and getting away with it, are going to say to themselves ‘gee if they can do it, so can I’ and they start doing it too.
I have said before that the corruption of some climate scientists are destroying the credibility of science, and this a direct result of that in my opinion.
Gentlemen, that’s why they are called “clownfish” and we took the bait. What a joke it is. Let’s get on with true life.
Yes… people lie… across all strata and fauna. This we know. Good to get any truth out there if and when possible. Truth can be slippery and very subjective unfortunately. And so we continue to be open-minded and discerning, as much as possible.
You mean the birds and deer and elk and squirrels and dogs have all been lying too? What? Are you sure fauna is the word you wanted to use there? Because I don’t think it fits.
Anyway, so what you’re saying is everybody lies? We’re not talking about telling your girlfriend that you were working, when you were out with the boys last night. No, we’re talking about professionals lying about their work in an occupation that relies on integrity and truth, with ridgid adhearance to the scientific method, and that affects how we live our lives. We’re talking about professional ethics. There is no room for average everyday human behavior in these cases.
These are serious breaches of trust.
But hey! Everybody lies! It’s ok! Just do as they say anyway! Nothing to see here. Hey you’ve lied before, you can’t hold them up to a higher standard! Its just the nature of things. Sales people lie all the time, so what if a few scientists do it every once in a while? No harm done right?
Once again you take a reasonable statement (mine), and using a tiny bit of colorful language just for artistic license if for other reason, and you hyperbolize it even to the point, dare I say, of becoming somewhat hysterical (trying to be kind here- but I’m sure this will fill you with loads of indignation too). I think this helps illustrate, again, your deep and ignored personal bias clouding your emotions/judgement. Constructive criticism can be helpful, such as I try to offer on occasion, but your scorched earth policy (hmmm, pardon the pun) is unhelpful.
Tis is not about me. I’m not a scientist. I was not being hyperbolic. The thing about the deer and the elk was satirical. You used the word fauna, and I was having a little fun with that because you either used the wrong word, or you think it means something different than what it does mean. And secondly you ARE saying that everybody lies, and are seemingly defending these serious breeches of trust as basic human behavior. What I am saying is that the scientific method is in place to act as a buffer between that basic human behavior and scientific truth and integrity. What these researchers, and scientists are doing is ignoring the scientific method to further their careers, or their agendas, gain recognition, status, or funding for their research.
As far as the “But hey! Everybody lies! It’s ok!” part, this is my interperetation of what you are saying. I’m not exagerating in the slightest. It is sarcastic, yes, but not hyperbolic.
I think it is a not so clever tactic to try to turn this around and put the focus upon me, but it is a typical tactic employed to defend an indefencible position. These scientists and researchers have been trained in the scientific method, and these are the kinds of things that happen when the scientific method is ignored. That is my entire point. And if you see a bias there you are correct. But my bias is toward truth, honesty, and integrety.
BTW, Bush, for example (the leader of the free world no less) lied us into a very costly, lenghty, not to mention deadly war. If that is not something to get hysterical about I don’t know what is. Thus my point (sure wish I didn’t have to keep clarifying simple statements) just about EVERYONE does lie, in fact I would go out on a limb and say everyone does. So, then there are big lies and little lies, etc. etc. Right? Right. Also, there are many different motivations for lying. I agree that for those who have more power, the lie can and usual is more costly in different ways. So you see? (I hope) that we pretty much agree. Maybe not exactly, but nonetheless. (I await your disagreement about our possible agreement).
Why are you bringing Bush into this? He’s not a scientist. We have gone here before, and I’ll not be dragged ino a political argument in a very transparent attempt to change the subject.
But you’re right we do agree on the costliness of lies. Where we diverge I think is where you use the fact that because of human nature everybody lies to excuse and minimize their behavior, where I believe the scientific method when strictly adheared to is designed to sheild the scientific research from that particular aspect of human nature. And thus these scientists, and researchers must be held to a much higher standard than those of us who are not scientists.
Uhh, because he lied and was the most powerful person on the planet (after Cheney) and it illustrates the depth of lying by even the most powerful for their own agendas. That’s why Neil. A very apt example I would think. Any other lie comparatively speaking to that one pales in comparison. Perspective, etc. And I did NOT and am NOT excusing anyone’s behavior. You are projecting your reaction onto me. I am simply trying to put your (over) reaction into perspective. Not that I was very successful. It’s not a black and white world. Very grey and messy. Remember the boy who cried wolf? Extremists on BOTH ends do this so constantly that it becomes meaningless. That said, I do respect resolve, and personal feelings, and opinions. But we all need a little more Perspective and open-minded discrimination (not the racial kind). I agree, scientists are on an higher rung for the rest of us, and should be held to a higher standard, just as should the most powerful men/women on the planet. But when THEY aren’t, then how can you expect others to worry about it as much and not do the same for their own personal benefit. This country used to model, at least to a greater extent than today, a higher standard for honesty and justice. Not any more- they hardly even pretend any more, and it’s NOT just Obama. we’ve been sliding down that greasy corrupt slope for a long time now. It is very unfortunate. But everyone needs to set aside their biases and hold everyone in power accountable, from the top down. Doesn’t this make any sense to you?
Mr. Hood, nothing you post makes sense to a rational person. Myself included.
Some people don’t seem to understand logic or deductive reasoning. The above is perfectly plain and fairly simple, I think. Not to insult you, but you have posted things that truly aren’t necessarily easy to follow or seem completely logical. You can surely speak for yourself (and someone else here may chime in to support you) but to try and paint me/my posts as something I’m not (illogical/irrational) then it only says more about you than it does me. Feel free to disagree with any of my statements. And if you do, try to be specific and in some detail, otherwise you will appear to be only blowing smoke.
Uh oh… Children with low intelligence are more likely to grow up to be social conservatives and racists, researchers found in a study published out of the U.K.
A study, which appeared in the journal Psychological Science and was written up by LifeScience, built upon previous research linking low education with prejudice, using data from two studies testing IQ and then political beliefs.
“As suspected, low intelligence in childhood corresponded with racism in adulthood. But the factor that explained the relationship between these two variables was political: When researchers included social conservatism in the analysis, those ideologies accounted for much of the link between brains and bias,” LifeScience wrote.
Lead researcher Gordon Hodson, of Brock University in Ontario, concluded that people with low IQs are attracted to the hierarchy and structure in socially conservative institutions.
May I say I have been to the UK numerous times and the liberals in my humble opinion, are suspect as well. Look at the economy. As if ours is better. Life better spent inspecting a knats backside than to believe a Brit from the left wing.
If you think the UK is politically Liberal, you are once again displaying huge bias and inability to perceive certain things logically and rationally. Granted they may appear to be and in some minor respects more Liberal than we here in the good ol’ right-wing US, but the elite’s bottom lines are their only and main concerns , just as they are here. And the elites who are in power, not the “show” and politically weak Liberals who appear from time to time in the news, etc.
But I know, you Rightys think “old Europe” is all practically communist. Many of the Eurpoean countries acutally have more freedoms and a better standard of living we do. But hey, just ignore all that, and be prejudiced about the boogyman. And I don’t care how many lawyers anyone may chum around with on a daily basis, you may be parking their cars for all we know. Wake up and grow up.
Mr. Hood, it’s quite apparent that you have never ever been to the UK, Europe or probably past Milwaukee simply based upon your comments. You know nothing for which you speak. Been there and continue to go there. When you live with the culture you will understand. Forgot, you have an agenda don’t you? Must keep to that old script they handed you, correct? I assume you have a cell phone that takes credit card donations as well?
My agenda is the truth, minus bias and personal prejudice. What is your agenda since it seems to be different from mine? A blind man could travel the world and his main memory will be the smells.
Uh oh, here we go again. Another bubble? Well sure, that’s just bizness! Wages for every day Americans have remained stagnant since Reagan came into office. That was when the great reduction in taxes for the wealthy began. A reversal gradually started when Clinton came into office and increased taxes on the wealthy, but quickly ticked back down again when Bush gave a 1.3 trillion dollar tax cut to the uber rich. The wealthy are not earning their wealth today. They are speculating with it in the stock market and using other people’s money and investments to gamble it on Wall St. That’s why credit is so tight for people wanting to take out loans for small businesses and buy other goods. Banks and financial firms are using the money for speculation and trading. Just like in 2008. They’re building a bubble again. It’s privatizing profits and socializing failure when they collapse and come crying to the taxpayers to bail them out.
What has this got to do with a “clown fish” and CO2? Go to a left wing political site please. This post of yours rambles about nothing and is boring. Barnie Frank may wish to talk to you about Fannie and Freddie? Call him.
The artifical bubbles that cause financial disasters and great pain to the vast majority of people and more riches for the rich are “nothing and boring”? So sorry Joe. Please forgive such silliness. I guess Clownfish aren’t as silly…
Clownfish are “good eatin” with a little CO2.
At least you aren’t being silly, or inane. Otherwise you’d be contradicting yourself, again.
I’m always a contradiction. Ask my young ones. I’m constantly asking leading questions. Drives them nuts. Cool!
None of that appears to be a positive thing. But I shouldn’t be surprised.
I seem to surprise numerous people.