Depressing

moneyBy Richard of EUReferendum

It’s been a heady few months for climate sceptics – or “deniers” as the opposition loves to call us. Starting with “climategate”, through a progression of “gates” with much else in between – including the apparent collapse at Copenhagen – it seemed as if we had the warmists on the run.Certainly, we’ve scored some hits and, aided and abetted by Mother Nature who has been generous in her deliveries of global warming this winter, we have seen a turnaround in public opinion, with a distinct loss of enthusiasm for the surfeit of alarmism on offer.

The successes have led to a certain amount of triumphalism amongst the sceptics, with a feeling in certain quarters that we are winning the game. But any such sentiment is, to say the very least, premature. In fact, a more realistic appraisal might suggest that we have not even dented the underlying agenda.

Herein lies a certain definitional problem, as we have certainly dented the confidence of many so-called climate “scientists”, worried some of the hangers-on and made serious inroads into the intellectual argument, challenging the science.

But as to the “agenda”, this has nothing to do with science or even climate change. The climate change scare is merely a front used to conceal on the one hand and, on the other, to legitimise a far more sinister movement which has at its root politics, power and money. And its agenda might have suffered a few setbacks and some delays, but it is essentially intact.

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  • Rob N. Hood

    Isn’t this what I’ve been saying all along? But noooooooo, when I saaaaaaaay something like this, eeeeeeveryone jumps aaaaaaalllllll ooooooover me!

    • Neil F. AGWD/BSD

      No, sorry. This is what you’ve been saying all along:

      “Un oh. Another win in the right-wing column, huh? Big surprise. I guess that puts another crimp in the paranoia re: Obama and Gore taking over the country and the planet for socialism, er, I mean communism.
      I guess healthcare reform is the new proof of that…
      Today, the Democratic Party is larger than the Republican Party by a large margin. Both have political problems: The Republicans, as the smaller party relies on motivating their base with distorted Chicken-Little issues, as well as controlling the voting apparatus and voting rolls. The Republican base (extremists and Libertarians), empowered by the MSM and right-wing propaganda machine unleashed during the Clinton and George W. Bush Administrations, has separated from the herd, and is demanding a return to a white-centric, Christian, chaste heterosexual, armed, fictional utopia.”

  • Hal Groar

    Rob they even mentioned you by name! You must be so proud!

  • paul wenum

    He’s a “Rock Star.” need an autograph. Just kidding.

  • Rob likes to have people jumping over him!!! That’s why he is here :-))))

  • Rob N. Hood

    Thanks Neil for reminding me what I’ve been saying all along. What would we all do without your constant nitpicking and micro-mangement??? Oh wait, that’s me too. Sorry.

    • Neil F. AGWD/BSD

      This is why I just can not take you seriously. You say one thing and turn around and say the opposite, then tell us we don’t know what we’re talking about. You can’t even keep track of what you’re talking about. How do you even know what you’ve been saying all along? Iv’e been reading your posts for a long time and you have never said anything like what the above posted article is saying. Yet you say that’s what you’ve been saying all along!? I post an example of what you have actually been saying all along, and pow, you jab me with dull wit! [edited]

      • Neil F. AGWD/BSD

        Sorry Dan, I know you will probably edit that last line but it is the truth.

        • Dan McGrath

          You are correct – and then some. The rest makes no sense without the “punch line.” You wrote a lot to set up that apaprent jab-in-kind (and now I have to review Rob’s comments). It’s always better to make a point about the subject(s) being discussed, rather than about the people discussing it.

          • Neil F. AGWD/BSD

            I’m laughing as I write this, but holy moly! That was a good story, and real too. It actually happened, and I thought it was a perfect analogy.

  • paul wenum

    Kinda like talking to your father-in-law.

  • Rob N. Hood

    What I have been mostly saying, as you all well know, is that the power elite aren’t just manipulating us with “global warming.” There are many other things going on, which I have posted time and time again. That’s all I was saying above, and it’s the truth whether you want to admit it or not. Play dumb, I don’t care.

    Now as far as what is indeed “the sinister movement which has its roots in politics, money and power”, i.e., who these power brokers are and what they are really doing to control us for their benefit, is something we may not agree on. But that has been my main thesis on this site ALL ALONG. True story…

    • Neil F. AGWD/BSD

      My focus is the glabal warming scam. I understand what you’re saying but it really is not relevent to this forum. All the other things you talk about may or may not be the case. In fact a lot of it is complete nonsense, with some other things mixed in that may or may not be the case. But I don’t really care about those things because there is absolutely nothing that I can do about it.
      But AGW is something I can have something to do with because it is such a huge lie that there are many cracks to exploit. For example, I hear the people say that the Arctic is melting, and the Polar Bears are dying, and I have even heard you talk about the albedo effect. But there are places to find facts that I can use like the NSIDC which I visit frequently. And what I find is the truth. And the truth is that at this very moment the Arctic sea ice levels are back to normal. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
      N-O-R-M-A-L!!!!!!!! Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical.
      So, this tells me that the people who tell me the Arctic is melting are either lying to me or propagating a lie. And with a few keystrokes I can find hard evidence of it
      My point is that there is no way for me to verify anything that you say is going on. Plus some of the things you like to demonize are things that I believe are good things like Capitalism which made this country the greatest on the planet, and the military industrial complex. We need a strong military and we need to have them well equiped. How else do you suppose we could do that? Yet you talk about them as though they are the Devil.
      And the other conspiracy stuff is unsubstantiated speculation, at best. There is no proof that I can put my hands on. And just because some guy writes a book, or an article about it is not proof. Only the powerful elite know what they are doing. We don’t! Neither do you. See Rob, I’m not playing it dumb. I’m fighting the enemy that I can see. And if there is a sinister movement which has its roots in politics, money and power, then helping to bring the lie of AGW crashing down will help damage them. So then what is your problem with us just focusing on AGW?

  • paul wenum

    You never change my friend.

  • paul wenum

    Neil, I agree. Did you see where Gore is giving a speech on 4/8/2010 but no media allowed? Wonder why? Just curious.

  • Rob N. Hood

    Neil – you are so wrong. There are many ways to figure out that what I’m saying is more accurate, or at least much more likely, than what you believe to be true about things other than AGW. You just aren’t willing to really try. You’ve proven that time and again.

  • paul wenum

    Neil, Alinsky’s getting to you. Beware.

  • Rob N. Hood

    Paul, I am challenging him to open his mind and start looking at things another way, which will open his eyes. He thinks they are open, but are only one-sided. That’s all. The info is out there- he’s simply not really looking. And neither are you. You don’t want to know anything that upsets your ingrained views. It’s natural to be that way. Just not very smart though.

  • Paul Wenum

    With over 31,000 scientists stating “Global warming” is a farce, I state my case.

  • Rob N. Hood

    I wasn’t talking about global warming, sorry. That is a relatively minor issue (unless it is a correct theory and if so we are in trouble), compared to the much larger issue of power and control via money. Rather than obsessing about individual issues, which can be linked to the upper echelon of the power elite, let’s band together to regain our individual rights and freedoms. That is my main focus because unless we do that nothing will change. We are being purposefully distracted all the time by these individual issues.

  • Dan

    If you want to tackle the big picture, maybe you should attend some Tea Party events, or the Jason Lewis Tax Cut Rally (which will be an issues and causes fair as well). Minnesota Majority http://www.minnesotamajority.org is a good source for other issues, too. And there’s also http://www.healthreformscam.com if you want to dive into Obamacare. This site is just one piece of the puzzle.

  • paul wenum

    Thank you Dan. I needed that. Hope more people get involved using their own thoughts then cut and pasting others. I firmly believe Jason should run for office. I understand that he did in Colorado. Knowing Colorado I understand why he lost.

    • Dan McGrath

      No! Jason should never ever run for office again. He’s too valuable where he is (though somewhat less so for our state now that he’s gone national). Anyway, I know Jason and he’s pretty adamant that he’s not interested in going down that road again.

  • Rob N. Hood

    Ahh, the Tea Parties… dooooooon’t get me started on that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Talk about fantasyland and conspriacy theorists…. Cheaper by the dozen there….!!!

  • Dan

    The perspective of a loyal MSNBC viewer who’s never been to one.

  • paul wenum

    I’m glad to hear that Jason still has his senses in not running for public office. He’s more valuable on the air getting a rational persons point across and he tells it like it is. Right, wrong or indifferent for which I respect. Be it liberal, conservative, libertarian, etc. He’s refreshing to listen to with no screaming for which I detest.

  • paul wenum

    As to MSNBC being anti-tea party, as you know GE owns MSNBC. I’ve followed their ratings for the last few years and I have no idea who actually watches the hate. Less then 500,000 at most and then I click on MSN.COM tonite and read that “Obamaeconomics is working”??? Unnamed economist. What’s new! Boy I hate their expensive light bulbs! They will have to pry my old lightbulbs from my cold hands. All my friends say the same.

  • Rob N. Hood

    It’s all about a Democrat being President. No right-winger likes it and because that is what they are told via propaganda and brain-washing. The elite corporatists know better, but play along, because that is the way the game works. They own Obama just as much as any Republican. They will own the next President too. It’s all about making the charade look real. We all know Fox News was behind the Tea Party movement from the beginning. As for the other corporate-owned stations, they also have to play the game too, don’t they? Yes, and they do it well.

    So who will the Republicans nominate for president in 2012? If you know history, there is little doubt: The nominee will be Mitt Romney.

    How do I know? Partly, from a lifetime of watching how Republicans work. They almost always give the nod to the guy who finished second the last time. Consider: Ronald Reagan lost the 1976 nomination; he got it in 1980.George H. W. Bush came in second in 1980; he got the nomination in 1988. Bob Dole lost to Bush in 1988; he ran in ’96. John McCain lost to Bush the lesser in 2000; he got the prize in 2008 … after beating out Mitt Romney.

    Plus, The Mittster has a few other things going; he is handsome and rich, which always helps, and will look moderate, reasonable and statesman-like, compared to clowns like Palin and Mike Huckabee and dullards like Tim Pawlenty.

    Besides, he was the author of a health care reform in Massachusetts that is very much like President Obama’s. Two years from now, people will realize that they like that their kids can stay on their health insurance through college. They will like even better that they can’t have their health insurance canceled because they have cancer. By 2012, the GOP will be talking about “improving” health care reform.

    Still, I could be wrong, and the Republicans might in the end nominate some far-out Tea Party darling, like Palin. If that happens, look for Obama to win a historic electoral vote landslide.

    Capitalism has destroyed our belief in any effective power but that of self interest backed by force.
    ~George Bernard Shaw

    Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class.
    ~Al Capone

  • paul wenum

    My Democrat friends thing the same as me. We are not racist, tea party members, hate baiters, anti-democrats etc. We are true Americans that cannot stand our country going consistently into debt with no road map as to how to return from the path that our elected officials have taken. Want to see something scary check the USDebtClock.Org. Or just U S Debt Clock. It will wake you up be you Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian or whatever you are. I wish they would show this on the news every evening. Can you visualize the fear in the faces of the people that are relying on SSI etc. if they watched the clock? They will never see SSI nor will you. As to your statements of capitalism. What do you call a thief? Answer: The 545 elected officials that run our Country. You got what you voted for my friend. If, in fact, you voted at all.

  • Rob N. Hood

    So how did you feel when Clinton left us a sizable surplus?

    And no I didn’t get what I voted for the last 8 years (minus the one for Obama)- I didn’t vote for those economy wrecking war criminals Bush/Cheney. It is THEY who left us in this mess. If, after another 3 years, things aren’t getting better THEN you can lay SOME blame on Obama. To do so now is ridiculous and infantile.

  • paul wenum

    They are all guilty of attempting to do the right thing. (Intent and reality are two different things) It’s all about how you do it. So far, no party has been successful in the last 45 years, in my humble simple thinking. Sad but true and it had better change shortly or you and I will not have the discourse we are having now my friend. Think about it and I mean that more than you will ever know.

  • Rob N. Hood

    Delusion- your best friend apparently. God forbide you give any Dem any credit for anything positive. That’s illogical… even pathological.

    Tax rates have fallen. Fifty years ago, the top marginal tax rate was 91 percent and the bottom rate was 20 percent. In 1960 the median family income was $5600 and the average family paid $1232 in Federal taxes. Last year, the Obama Administration lowered taxes for 95 percent of Americans. Today, the top marginal rate is 35 percent and the bottom is 10 percent. In 2010 the median family income is approximately $50,000 and that would require roughly $7500 in Federal taxes. Over the past 50 years, while median family income has increased ninefold, their taxes are only six times greater.

    Tax revenues as a percentage of GDP have also plummeted. A chart from the conservative Heritage Foundation indicates that since 1945, Federal tax receipts as a percentage of GDP have averaged 18.2 percent. In 1960 they were roughly 17 percent and in 2010 the Heritage Foundation expects them to be 14.8 percent – the lowest rate since 1950.

  • paul wenum

    I can tell that you have never been there for which I have. You would be a diaper baby I assume? I look at Facts as of right now in real time. Quit the cut and paste. It’s annoying.

  • Rob N. Hood

    I know facts are annoying to you Paul. I’m sorry about that… But don’t feel bad. Most Rightys don’t like facts either- so you have plenty of company.

  • paul wenum

    I have plenty of friends with facts behind them. I sense denial?

  • Rob N. Hood

    There are Facts and then there are “facts” from friends and then there are “facts” from Faux News…

  • paul wenum

    Nice comeback.

  • Rob N. Hood

    Fox and Friends… ha ha he he

    With friends like that…

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