By Angela Fritz
After big snow and ice events in the Southeast, Plains, and Midwest this week, 49 out of the 50 states currently have snow on the ground – yes, even Hawaii, where snow falls in Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea all winter.The only state that has avoided this icy blast is Florida. Does that make you want to go on a nice, warm vacation to the Sunshine State? You’re not alone.
Put another way, that means snow is present in 69.4 percent of the lower 48, which is more than double than December. This is extremely unusual, though it’s hard to put a date on when this last happened because records aren’t kept on this kind of event.
Per example is another fact known only mostly to Tucson AZ locals. The highest mountain peak on the outskirts of town is called Mount Lemon. It has a downhill ski area, and it is usually open for part of every winter- meaning it gets enough snow for skiing. Nothing new, nothing earth shattering. You see how easy it is to create a sensational story out of the mostly mundane?
Rob,
Really?? “mostly mundane”!!! tell that to the residents of Atlanta, Nashville, Huntsville, Richmound SC, Laurl MS. We are not use to that white stuff down here.
http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/Atlanta-still-recovering-from-snow-113528954.html
I left you a post of how hard it hit Atlanta. I know you could care less. Most of us down here are enjoying the unusual weather but there have been some major issues with the unusual heavy snow that fell.
Compared to Brazil and Australia’s weather problems… yes it is mundane. Yawn…. Except, however, if you look at it from the standpoint that it is something that is historic, as Neil points out below. But then you could say, other than the momentary colder air causing it, this is “climate disruption” thus you could denote it as possibly another example of “climate change”… just sayin’.
LOL Another example of natural clmate change… yes. You just cant admit defeat can you. You posted this a few days ago and dared to say it was momentary colder air…. Guess what another foot dropped on the midwest an the NE is going to get another blast of snow this weekend… Fact don’t matter to you do they… Nothing will change your brainwashed mind will it? You say you are open minded but you continue to ignore fact time and time again.
First time this has happened in recorded history, and it’s just some mundane event blown out of proportion? Really? If AGW were happening would not the opposite be happening?
Obviously for Global Warming this is not affirmative, the opposite is correct colder temperatures point to a cooling trend, Global Cooling, but for the Anthropogenic Climate Changing affects this is not any kind of an indicator that we are not terraforming or altering the planet. I still hold firm that anthropogenic climate change is real but that it is the lesser of the contributing factors present, as in solar output, and not currently present, as in tectonic plate movement. The earths plates are relatively calm but if they started to move volcanic activity would dwarf the smoke stacks that we are currently looking to as the game changers.
It is true anthropogenic practices are changing the climate but the effects of this are nothing in comparison with the big variables.
The sun controls the earths climate, the sun, or sol, is solely responsible for the conduciveness for life sustainability on our planet. Our carbon footprint does not come from an outerworldly source, the carbon was a part of our world to begin with.
At another time I will try to explain the effects of lightning on atmospheric gases. Why is the air so fresh after a thunderstorm? What is electrolysis and what type of role does it play in atmospheric molecule and compound separation? What happens to carbon atoms that have been freed from molecular bonds? What is the future of climatology, as in climate altering techniques?
Envirochemistry…
Pssst, V, listen…. tectonic plates are moving…..right now….they are always moving….there is volcanic activity……going on….right now. When you say things like that it supports my feeling that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Use your head a little Neil, let us suppose for a second that an asteroidal impact were to impact the earth, tectonic plate movement would be immense. I suspect that you may not no the difference between relatively calm and non existent. Think a little before inputting, it could help your case.
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Do you understand that I was pointing to the type of events that change the climate. The tectonic plate movement I was pointing to is the extreme case, Neil. Solar activity and volcanic activity are not the only two factors with the ability to drastically alter the planet, they ate just the ones I decided to point to as an example.
And for your information the science behind tectonic plate movement is not very well understood at all by any scientist, we just don’t have the information, it is believed that the movement is like spring action between plates, that the plates get pushed into each other until there is slippage. What is not accounted for is the Atlantic ocean, also what is not accounted for is the missing part of the Pacific ocean. The earths continents were once joined, our continental shift would make sense if the continents were floating on the oceans, this is not the case, the tectonic plates are not continents, continents are on top of the plates, so are the oceans. The tectonic plates grew in the Atlantic and shrunk in the pacific, this shows major events, something our science has still not caught up with.
Still a natural event….. Just as the coast line of Massachusetts changes. Old salts will tell you how things in there life time have changed and they never sail without current charts.
Really? Wow! Another newsflash from Jerk.
Are you saying that an asteroid impact upon the Earth would cause an increase in the movement of tectonic plates? That would have to be an enormous asteroid, at least several cubic miles in size, which by all scientific understanding of imacts upon the Earth would be an ELE. Smaller than that it would be like trying to speed up a glacier with a shotgun. I have said it before, and I’ll continue to say it… you have no idea what you’re talking about. You think you do, but that is all just in your head.
Case in point: Tectonic Plate Theory. You claim that “the science behind tectonic plate movement is not very well understood at all by any scientist.” This is demostrably false. In fact, the science behind tectonic plate theory is actually fairly basic, and easy to understand. And it is applied across many scientific, and other feilds such as manufacturing, and the feild I am currently employed in, heating and air conditioning. It’s called convection.
http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/1425chap3.htm
http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node76.html
“Convection is the flow of heat through a bulk, macroscopic movement of matter from a hot region to a cool region, as opposed to the microscopic transfer of heat between atoms involved with conduction. Suppose we consider heating up a local region of air. As this air heats, the molecules spread out, causing this region to become less dense than the surrounding, unheated air. For reasons discussed in the previous section, being less dense than the surrounding cooler air, the hot air will subsequently rise due to buoyant forces – this movement of hot air into a cooler region is then said to transfer heat by convection.”
So, don’t lecture me on anything V. You are an expert on everything in your own head. But in the rest of the universe you are an expert on nothing.
Yes Neil, an event such as an asteroidal impact would destroy the evolved lifeforms (macro). Extinction level events are real phenomena. So are celestial impacts. In fact they sometimes relate. If you look at the last known one, and calculate dispersion you see the landmass arrangement of the globe. The supercontinent was hit and it fractured, the Atlantic ocean is the solidification of the earths mantle, not the ocean as in water, the crust underneath it.
So exactly Neil, I’m saying that an asteroidal impact could move/create tectonic plates, any type of an impact on the earths surface causes fractioning.
And the tectonic plate movement is not very well mapped, there are many causes for the regular movement, which is anywhere from 0-100mm per year, gravity rotation convection on earth cause movements and as a scientific field it is not well mapped since earths infancy. At the beginning the earth must have been solidified as the mantle cooled, or rather when the solar output dropped, when our star was born it was a lot more violent, the sun is fighting against gravity an it is heating everything in the solar system with its fightback. Young stars are a lot more active and when ours was the earth was inhospitable, over time the sun cooled and with it the earth, the mantle cooled and crusted, and then, boom, intersolar debri collided with the cooled earth, the impact gave us our moon which today controls the tides and it created plates which currently swim on the mantle.
There are so many factors involved in tectonic movement. The sun’s gravity, the moons gravity, the earths gravity. Convection (mantle). Spin (rotation of the earth. These are constants along with these come secondary causes, these secondary causes prevent stability (over time the crust solidifies, plates lose movement), stability is lost when a meteor, or an asteroid, or debri, or a gammaray burst, hit the earth. The crust is broken the mantle cooks the water(in religion this is popular), the oceans burn the atmosphere is washed out the mantle holes resolidify, the earths lifeforms start again the evolution process from scratch. Tectonic plates reborn. Just when they’re at their most stable they are subject to entropy, nothing lasts forever.
I can’t take it V. Stop already. You take ideas and theories that exist and add on your own speculation to it which adds up to a big fat ball of confusion. I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but it is seriously flawed. I mean where do I start? You are trying to sound like you know this material, but you don’t have anything right. For example: You say “The supercontinent was hit and it fractured, the Atlantic ocean is the solidification of the earths mantle, not the ocean as in water, the crust underneath it.” Okaaaaaay? I have looked it up and nowhere does it say that the fracturing, or as it is called rifting, was caused by an impact of any kind. And to say that the Atlantic ocean floor is a solidification of the Earth’s mantle is not an accurate desciption of the process of sea floor spreading. Also, you claim that “the tectonic plate movement is not very well mapped”, but if you were to do a simple search for “tectonic plate map” you will see that there are a whole bunch of maps out there of tectonic plates, faults, and all other kinds of features. And if you look at a map of faults you will not see fault lines in the areas of the Yucatan penninsula or Arazona’s meteor crater. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ypalM7eSBEQ/SdzT_ajylVI/AAAAAAAAAbM/XNB1-z6lvKg/s1600-h/tectonic_map.jpg Which completely refutes your assertion that impacts created the continents, because those rather large ones I mention did not even create faults. The formation of the moon by a celestial impact is the going theory, but that is theorized to have occured at a time when the entire planet was molten so it is impossible to “crack” something that is molten. Do you see what I mean?
What you’re saying just does not make sense, and I am saying that from a position of ignorance. What little research I have done has completly blown what you are saying apart. I am not an expert on the issue, but it was not hard for me to see that you are either making things up, or are getting erronious information. Please do some research before you go spouting off about things you think you know, but don’t.
Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics but don’t stop there.
V,
I accept that the climate changes naturally. The evidence for that is overwhelming. As far as AGW goes. I understand your assertions and explanations… My issue is you use descriptions like “relativity calm” that can be misleading. I see AGW like this. The sun along with the earth and its climate is a freight train. Humans are a Bug that happens to splat into its wind shield. You can fill in the rest from there.
Umm, I too am a little confused. What exactly is “enviro-chemistry”…??!!
http://notrickszone.com/2011/01/14/new-esper-study-confirms-warm-periods-lead-to-prosperity-cold-periods-to-death-and-misery-climate-extremes-were-greater-in-the-past/
“This study clearly shows that warm times are good, cold times are bad, and that the past had more extremes than today. Not only is it more nails for the hockey stick’s coffin, but also nails for the AGW theory.”
I think V brings up an interesting point about volcanoes. We have no idea how much CO2 us being pumped into the oceans by undersea volcanoes.
I agree we do not… I just want you to remember… that would be a totally natural event.
I would agree, except that he never brought up undersea volcanoes, you did. And it is a good question, but I don’t understand why you would give credit to V for it. Don’t sell yourself short like that.
I once thought that volcanoes contributed much more CO2 to the atmosphere than human activity does, but according to USGS scientists at the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory,
“Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.
Global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.”
This is the offical line, and I don’t know if I can trust this, but I can’t really find anyone to dispute it either, so it is all I have to go on, and untill it is disputed by any other scientific studies it stands.
I actually have to admit that I may have been wrong about this because I have believed in the past that volcanoes did contribute a lot more CO2 than man made sources.
This does not impede, or disuade my belief that human contribution to the overall amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is still minimal. It is still a trace gas that has very little effect on global average temperatures as studies have shown that the climate has been warmer with less CO2, and colder with more CO2.
Here is something related to the story, and my above post. It also supports what I have said in the past that the carbon cycle is not completely understood by scientists. It is a little technical, but even if you’re not a math guy, as I am not, you will still be able to get the jist of it.
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/carbon-deeps It concludes with the following:
“Despite efforts to the contrary, more settled science has been unsettled, more consensus opinion overturned and our ignorance of the world around us revealed for all to see. Some scientists accept the truth—little is know about carbon from the deeps and its involvement in the present day carbon cycle. Being innocent of real understanding, we should look before we leap, rather than risk a major ecological or economic catastrophe in hopes of avoiding the unproven and ill-defined effects of anthropogenic global warming.
Be safe, enjoy the interglacial and stay skeptical.”
Volcanoes are above sea and below. Natural occurance. similiar to oil that seeps under the oceans on a daily basis naturally. (Think BP spill was bad?, Check it out) Oh, that’s right, cannot publish that for the average person. We are too ignorant. It is not rocket science, it is reality and we have no control over it. How do you stop a natural oil leakage between Hawaii and California 10 times BP? Climate change and nature is natural. is there CO2 is the atmosphere? Yes. Will it kill us? no. Plants thrive on it, we exhale it etc. Write all the papers in the world and it will not change. Man made? A smidgen, natural action? 99.9%. How do I know? The same as you, we really don’t know, do we. Finally, there is, as V said, the solar activity that causes our natural cycle be it warm or cold. Enough said.
There’s a natural oil leak 10 times what BP’s was? Really Paul? Are you floating right on top if it, right now?
http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2008/07/oil-seepage-from-ocean-floor-accounts.html
Speaking of the BP oil spill, where is the oil now? Greatest disaster ever has turned out to be a dud. Another thing you were just absolutely wrong about, and that I was right about. Hmmmmmm……..
http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/gore-effect-strikes-yet-again-global-warming-gods-strike-down-beetle-population/
“Al Gore’s up-coming speech linking the explosion in the tree-munching pine beetle to global warming has been upset by reports of the pine beetle population “crashingâ€.”
Manbearpig is real!
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=xf69EEL3WBk
The Pine Beetle population crashing? Due to Al Gore? This guy really has it out for nature. He’s pure evil. I hope he doesn’t come here, it’s cold enough already.
Another blow to the AGW theorists!!!! Sorry guys & gals, it would seem that the oceans are not cooperating either!!
http://theinconvenientskeptic.com/2011/01/2010-sea-level-largest-drop-ever-recorded/
“Based on the most current data it appears that 2010 is going to show the largest drop in global sea level ever recorded in the modern era. Since many followers of global warming believe that the rate of sea level rise is increasing, a significant drop in the global sea level highlights serious flaws in the IPCC projections.
Put this one under the heading of predictions made by Neil F. coming true. I tells ya’ I is changin’ my name ta Claire Voyant;-)
http://blog.getliberty.org/default.asp?Display=2986
“Despite the controversies within ocean acidification and questions as to whether it is detrimental to sea life or not, isn’t stopping some from calling for stricter regulations of C02 emissions.”
Neil, like your investigations. Keep it up!
I am happy to comply!!!
Yes, Neil, wow. Your reporting on articles listed in Right-wing blogs is amazingly helpful! And you think the oil “spill” was a dud? Says who? Right-wing blogs? Much of the oil has settled on the floor of the ocean, and sunk in along the shorelines. The effect it will have has yet to make a full impact on sea-life, etc. Hopefully nature once again will turn out to be resilient to man’s abuse, but that remains to be seen. The Pine bark beetle is crashing? Says who? Probably only in areas where there are no more trees… Parasites will tend to die out when their host is gone.
No Rob, my sources are not all “right wing” blogs. Unless you consider the official NOAA website is a “right wing” blog.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100804_oil.html
“A third (33 percent) of the total amount of oil released in the Deepwater Horizon/BP spill was captured or mitigated by the Unified Command recovery operations, including burning, skimming, chemical dispersion and direct recovery from the wellhead, according to a federal science report released today.
An additional 25 percent of the total oil naturally evaporated or dissolved, and 16 percent was dispersed naturally into microscopic droplets. The residual amount, just over one quarter (26 percent), is either on or just below the surface as residue and weathered tarballs, has washed ashore or been collected from the shore, or is buried in sand and sediments. Dispersed and residual oil remain in the system until they degrade through a number of natural processes. Early indications are that the oil is degrading quickly.”
Or perhaps you consider the Vancouver Sun to be a “right wing” blog?
http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/pine+beetle+population+crashing+central+Interior/4111507/story.html
“In the interview, Snetsinger said the pine beetle spilled into younger stands because at the height of the attack, the competition was intense for mature trees with bark thick enough to protect the beetles in winter.
“They killed the younger trees but they weren’t able to raise a brood because the bark was too thin,” he said.”
I don’t know why you try to lecture me Rob. You are wrong about everything. I know the truth hurts, and you must be in constant pain. Pehaps a few Motrin would help?
Oh, and I forgot to mention: AT LEAST I POST MY SOURCES!!!!!!!!!!!!
How was I wrong about there not being enough trees? And in this case not enough of the older trees, which is the same thing. No proper host, no parasite… ummm, duh.
And so now you post something with sources other than the right-wing ones further above. So that proves, what now? That you can post BOTH? Ok, you win on that one. However, when I said most of the oil sunk to the bottom, that was perhaps a guesstimate, based on logic and reason, which I based on reports from various sources over time. The “facts” your article lists above may or may be true. Those things are very difficult to gauge to say the least. However, I will concede that 16 plus 26 percent equals 42 of the oil still in the ocean and will continue to effect it until is somewhow disappears over time, including of course natural processes. So given that number of 42 percent you are right and I am wrong. MOST of the oil based upon that one article is not lying on the ocean floor or headed there or the shoreline… There, are you happy? I hope so. Now have you ever conceded a point to me, ever?? I can’t remember one. I will add that the percdntage of 42, while maybe a conservative figure (probably so in my humble opinion) still is impressive and could cause long-term damage (even short-term damage is still harmful, right?). Right? Oh, I know, you are right about everything…
Whatever makes you feel better.
Neil, As has been said in the past, truth will prevail. Thanks again!
You’re so off you don’t even know it Neil, but it is not you, it is all of us, we all have grandular outlooks but it untrue, we do not know processes we deduce factors, just because we know factors foes not mean we know All drivers. When we proof theories we deduce to one factor, this is regularly untrue, there are usually many factors within a situation. To relate to reality I would have to point to an infinite direction selection of material, being all inclusive takes an infinite amount if time, to be time conservative we derive the most influantial factors, and leave the secondary out (devising ways out of the secondary implications, ie asteroid/meteor impact), we try to neutralize the negative before they impact.
I feel like a real idiot, you are smarter and more resourceful than i am, I appreciate the diversity of your insinuation as they are destination driven, I like your drive. I understan why you think negatively of my input. Lack of supportive arguments. But listen, I don’t like to give the solution, I like others to find the answer for themselves, I don’t know if you can understand that, I’ll tell you the truth though, your comments are those I read first though, not necessarily because I agree with them but because of the directionality of the post, you’re point driven and intelligent, in my opinion you will get far in life. Just remember what’s important, regardless whether you believe in god (I do) remember the mortal sins, human susceptibilities, live for all of humanity. That’s noble.
Delete the comment. I’ve broken the “you’re” prederminative within the contextual rules within your website guidelines. My apologies and I will try to abide by the parameters of your site.
V, you haven’t broken a rule, it’s just that the link you posted does not go to anything even remotely related to manbearpig. It just goes to a page that has random videos.
Hey, V… can I get some of what you’re smokin’??
I’m starting to think that English is a second language for you. Am I wrong about that? Either that or you are downing a few liters of wine before you post things.
Hey, I think your post was on hold awaiting moderation because there is a program that looks for words like “idiot”. It does not matter that you used it to describe yourself. And I don’t think you’re an idiot V. I think you are maybe trying a little too hard to be relevent? Maybe? It’s ok, I know how it goes. Iv’e been there myself. And for heaven’s sake, don’t let me stop you, and don’t get down on yourself. Truth is subjective, and it doesn’t matter what you think, there will always be someone who disagrees. After all there is a 1.11% chance that I am wrong!!!!!
V,
If you are going to complain than bring at least an idea for a solution…. I understand wanting othere to think for themselves. Yet I don’t like it when we have to think for you…. Bring your ideas to the table for discussion instead of this finger pointing and blame game. I share in the blame as do we all. If you really believe in God than show it and be part of the creation rather than just a foolish scoffer.
V, I take it that you do not agree with Neil’s research? Could not read your post.
Yes, I could be wrong. It could be wine… although Paul seems to have cornered the market on whine.
Haleakala is Maui’s towering volcanic crater, the summit of which reaches over 10,000-feet above sea level. Even in summer the summit has normally harsh conditions–extremely dry air, gusty winds and freezing temperatures. The right mix of heavy precipitation brought by a low pressure winter storm and chilly air result in layers of the white stuff that reach down to about the 7,000-foot level.
How Often Does It Snow in Maui?
Snow is not common in Maui although it has happened before–perhaps as often as once every few years. The last time it snowed on Haleakala was January 2006 during one of the wettest winters on record in the islands. It blanketed the highest cinder cones for about three days
What is your point? You seem fixated on the snow in Hawaii. Ok so it’s not so unusual to have snow on the higher elevations in Hawaii. But is it usual to have snow on the ground in Alabama? Georgia? Louisiana? Arkansas? Oklahoma? Geeeesh!! Ok so let’s leave out Hawaii. 48 OUT OF 49 STATES HAD SNOW ON THE GROUND AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!! Get over it.
I didn’t start the Hawaii snow thing. Why are you so angry Neil? Take a chill pill dude.
The last snowfall in Maui was 1988 my friend. Trust me on that exact point. It is as rare as raising a palm tree in Minnesota in the winter. The Big Island, not Maui, has snow at it’summit all year long and still does. More signs of global warming I assume? Get your facts straight before you post.
Neil, Rob’s fixated because I’m here on Maui working virtual. Called envy? Oh well, back to work.
Gosh Paul is at yet another position on the globe where we just talked about. That sure is odd ain’t it? The report above came from Maui’s own official web site. Sorry Paul- take it up with them while you’re “there.” Again, my condolences for all the “hard work” you do…
I was here in winter 2006 never saw a flake. Used to mountain bike down the 38 miles in January from the summit of Haleakala and they do not allow it any longer. To many tourists getting killed. It is usually 38-42 degrees at departure at the summit and 82 degrees at the ocean depending upon the time of day. If it snowed in 2006 it was never reported by any media. Maybe because of the global warming push by the media at the time such as today?
Ok, Paul. I’ll take your word over the State’s website.
This is for Dan: thought he’d like some interesting facts. 0- the number of black Senators in the new Congrress. 2- the number of Hispanic Senators in the new Congress. 15- Percent of Representatives who are women. 145- Billions of dollars that would be added to the deficit by repealing the Healthcare Act of 2010.
Besides being wrong, you’re way off topic.
Rob is right that there are 0 black Senators and only 2 hispanic Senators. But there are 41 Black Congressmen. I can not confirm or deny his assertion about the % of women but I am sure that is close. $145 billion as a cost of repealing the health care is a true statement yet a misleading one. According to the CBO that did the study that would be the loss over the next 6 years if the whole bill that has a 10 year plan for funding the bill. So what is misleading…. The fact that if cut right now not a dime of money would be lost because it has not taken effect yet. Money is schedualed to start being collected this year but the rest of the law comences in 2012…
Dan you are correct that ROB is off topic but that is normal. Come to think of it his being wrong is normal also.
Thanks Jerk for correcting Dan. I wonder how many of those Black Congressmen are Dem vs. Rep? And sorry Dan but wasn’t it you who made some kind of claim about minorities becoming more conservative?? Reminder to ol’ Dan- yes it was.
But Jerk, your healthcare math is much fuzzier than that blamed on me. It just depends on how you look at it I guess. The fact is if we do nothing (meaning make no changes)- pretty much everyone agrees/knows that medical care costs will bankrupt us all.
I thought the discourse was snow in 49 of 50 states which, by the way, is a factual statement. Today I read that it is caused by global warming? No science tested, simply their evaluation. Does it, or will it ever change? GE at the right arm of Obama to counsel him on business? They just laid off 11,000 US employees. What a “new society” we have don’t we? Suggest we all get back on point. I’m back from my (1) day vacation. Not even tan.
Really Paul? You know for a fact that as of this date there’s still snow in all 49 States?
Also, I’d love one of Paul’s one day vacations where he visits at least two Hawaiian islands and still has time out of the one day to golf 18 holes. Who lives in a fantasy? I know…
You know nothing about Hawaii. I’m always on Maui, period. There 14 days, work 13 of 14 and golf once. There are two Islands with Mountains, The Big Island of Hawaii where my friend lives year round and Maui. The others have no snow nor elevation to support same. By the way, you do have to go through Oahu at Honolulu to get back to the mainland so I guess I go through “two Hawaiian Islands.” Mahalo.
I “know nothing about Hawaii”…what an arrogant statement. Well I’ve been there, once: Maui, Oahu, and the Big I. I feel so bad for you Paul. Working so hard while there, and only taking ONE day to have some fun. You are quite a guy… OMG you really are amazing.
Thank you. My wife thinks so. That’s all that matters. Using #5 are ya?
No, just sarcasm… plain old sarcasm. U got Alinsky on the brain. Obsessed with everything on the Left. How do you all ignore all the contrary evidence that those who are raping this country financially are on the Right? It wouldn’t matter to me which side it was- I’d be against it either way. The fact that is it the Right, for now, and that you all beleive the opposite makes it MUCH easier for them to continue their pillaging and destroying of Americas once renowned middle class. So once again, I plead with you all. Shake the old communist cobwebs from your brains. Rethink it, examine it, observe it with clearer heads.
Really Paul!!!
Shake thoe old Communist cobweb out.. They are the new Communists….. get with the times. good gracious old man you are so dated.
Sir Knot, The old communist thoughts in my head, as yours I assume, are not nice to view or revisit. Another day and another adversary. Perhaps shortly? Yes, I’m old school but when pushed comes to shove, I’m not gracious by any means.
Paul My friend the only diference between the old pinkos and the new ones are the tactics they use the old goal is the same.
I agree 100%. Their goals are always consistent but change like a cameleon. Tactics today are like Star Wars V: John Wayne on a horse! Enemies adapt to their surroundings and cultures. Can see Darth Vader leading the lemmings off the cliff. Similiar to Hitler in 38. That said, look at Eqypt. Absent Tunisia, Yemen, et al. Eqypt needs some major change for the better. Hope it works out ok. A friend of mine’s father is there. Life’s a beach ain’t it?
You need to shake harder. You didn’t even try really. And you guys think you’re on top of it. You are on top of a big pile of BS. And of course Paul has another personal connection with yet another hot spot on the globe. How surprising. Sort of like Forrest Gump aren’t we Paul?
The big bad guys aren’t commies. The big bad guys only want/need you to believe that. But as P.T. Barnum used to say…
Robbie boy, personal insults I’m used to in my business. My daughters call me “Big Fish.” When I pass they are waiting for the “tall guy” with a limp. Sorry to say, they will only see the small guy and life as it exists. You have no idea of my life nor will you. It is apparent that you have never experienced anything in life of substance. My nephew is peace negotiator in Europe. Yes, he’s been there and in the action. Don’t question one’s integrity that is unless you have facts before you. Typical #5 Alinsky. Damn you are good at changing subjects.
A peace negotiator in Europe? Who are you related to, the Bushes? You’re truly Forrest Gumpian. Are you CIA? Where were you the day JFK was murdered? So anyway, I didn’t really change the subject, you just didn’t answer the question. That’s ok, you don’t have to of course. I question your integrity AND ask for more “facts” which you decline to give. Again, your perogative. You constantly question my integrity, so that makes you what now? A hypocrite. Please look up that word- or maybe Neil can provide us with a definition.
None of you have risen to the major challenges I have made. What is your evidence of a communist plot, etc. behind the demise of America?
You have no understanding of the real world do you. Your posts show.
Uh, ok. Well I guess that settles that deep and thoughtful debate. Oh master-debater… You master-debate a lot don’t you Paul?
Alinksy #5.
tee hee, got that one by Dan and his censor minions…
BTW Paul, you should try to use any other of Alinsky’s tactics. You seem to use #5 a lot. And by a lot I mean all the time.
And you post the same left, left liberal leaning dribble with the same posts on a consistent basis. Is there a difference?
Sure there is a difference. I post info, data, other points of view. You post dismissives based closely on Alinsky tactic #5 (I am taking your word for that Alinsky reference).
And just so you know, I am not that far left, really. As I’ve said before, and you may not ever believe it, but you are far more extreme. That’s just another of your disconnects with reality.
I won’t go there.
Head…placed….firmly….in…..sand. Or is it cement?
Use cement in my occupation.
Of course you do… you are everywhere and do everything. Do you use cement for shoes for your “clients”? Or maybe for sniffing?
Not my clients, just the one’s I chase for my clients.
ooohh….. now Paul’s a Soprano wanna-be.
So who is your client Paul? Not the Government I hope, State or otherwise…. cuz that would just make you an even bigger hypocrite, if that is even possible.
Let me simply state I have national and international clients. Enough said.