White House: Global Warming Out, 'Global Climate Disruption' In

john_holdren_official_portrait_secFrom Fox News

From the administration that brought you “man-caused disaster” and “overseas contingency operation,” another terminology change is in the pipeline.The White House wants the public to start using the term “global climate disruption” in place of “global warming” — fearing the latter term oversimplifies the problem and makes it sound less dangerous than it really is.

White House science adviser John Holdren urged people to start using the phrase during a speech last week in Oslo, echoing a plea he made three years earlier. Holdren said global warming is a “dangerous misnomer” for a problem far more complicated than a rise in temperature.

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85 Responses to White House: Global Warming Out, 'Global Climate Disruption' In

  1. NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 17, 2010 at 11:45 am #

    And I am now not Neil F. AGWD/BSD. I am a hummingbird!!!

  2. Rob N. Hood September 17, 2010 at 3:37 pm #

    Gosh! Do you think that it might be an actual complex issue and that it could be very true that there are more deniers due to the limited scope of the term “warming”? And that as many scinetists have always said that it won’t just be “warming” but other issues as well depending upon the part of the globe you happen to live in? And that “warming” is only one of the “changes” that could occur making the lives of humans (yes, maybe even your own descendents!) very difficult and perhaps even near impossible!?

    Naw!! Can’t be! That’s just “too crazy” !!! Ahhh, thanks global-climate-scam now I can sleep better at nite.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 17, 2010 at 6:02 pm #

      No way! Uh uh. You might have a point if the scientific community had said back when Eyeore came out with An Inconvenient Truth, that it’s a more complex issue than Eyeore says “and that “warming” is only one of the “changes” that could occur making the lives of humans very difficult and perhaps even near impossible!”
      But they didn’t. Remember the concensus? The concensus of thousands of the world’s top scientific minds agreed that global warming is happenning, and that Man’s burning of fossil fuels is to blame. Remember that? Obviously you don’t, because now that has been exposed as the lie it was they’ve had to come up with a new spin to keep suckers like you on the hook!! It is truly amazing that you are falling for the new spin. Well, actually I know deep down inside you know it’s just another lie. But I also know that deep down inside you don’t care that it’s just as bogus as the original lies, because it’s the best way to create the kind of government that you desire which is a socialist government. What the heck, as long as it’s anti-capitalist you’ll trip all over yourself to back it up. Which is exactly the point of your post above.

  3. Rob N. Hood September 18, 2010 at 7:24 am #

    Yes, that was the consensus that they focused on, you are correct. And I agree they shouldn’t have done that because what was easily predictable did happen- people like the deniers, and others, just use that as an excuse to not believe anything is happening that could be detrimental to the planet and to humans. But it doesn’t really matter Neil. I believe that humans are too short-sighted and stressed out to put their minds around such a scary issue. Not to mention the business as usual MSM that fills them with alternative propaganda daily. Then there’s the problem of uniting the world’s other governments, although if we, the USA, had taken the lead and made real steps towards something most others would have followed- they were ready to do so at Kyoto and we failed them and humanity. So there you go. Another opportunity like that will be unlikely and most definitely too late even if it does.

    And as usual you Rightys pretend that Liberals like me are “anti-capitalist” when in fact we are not. We are nuanced about it, among other things, which simpler minds either cannot or will not comprehend.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 18, 2010 at 7:41 am #

      Ambiguous jibberrish and BS.
      Are you saying that you were wrong when you defended the concensus? Because I remember you stridently defending the concensus. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now.

  4. NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 18, 2010 at 8:22 am #

    I have watched the speech that Holdren has given and it turns out that the arguments he is using to support “global climate disruption” are the exact same arguments used to support originally “global warming” and then later “climate change”. THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!! The only thing new is the terminology of “global climate disruption” That’s it. Nothing else is new.
    They are still relying on IPCC predictions, still using the same data from Jones and Mann, still insisting that rdiative forcing of CO2 is causing positive feedback…… all of it the same tired old arguments that have been discussed and torn to shreds here over the last few years.
    As if changing the name of it negates it all!!!
    Rob, you of all people, because you claim to have a degree in psychology, should recognize this as the psychological trick that it is

  5. Rob N. Hood September 18, 2010 at 1:11 pm #

    Talk about gibberish… Of course it’s the exact same arguments, only the phrasing has changed (mostly in the MSM) and I explained why above. That much is unfortunate. Because what you so conveniently forget is that most “global warming” scientists included “climate change” or “disruption” and probably several other terms to describe/explain THE SAME THING. Once again… for the millionth time for folks like you- it not only is WARMING that will CHANGE certain areas to the detriment of those areas (desertification, etc.) but will ALSO CHANGES, in theory, other than warming in other areas that will be to their detriment (i.e. flooding, colder, etc). Yes you heard that right… colder, in places that are now mild. (This is a possibility, NOT for certain, no ones know anything like this for certain, except for many of you deniers who seem to know a lot of things for certain.

    Why colder? The change and/or stoppage of the gulf stream. That alone would have a huge impact especially in Europe, and not a pleasant one either. So, guess what, it is a COMPLEX issue!! Since you can’t deal with that fact maybe you should stick to those things you can.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

      A lie is a lie is a lie. Is a rose called by any other name still a rose?

  6. Rob N. Hood September 19, 2010 at 7:29 am #

    My point exactly. Plus are u really afraid that the sheeple will get fired up for a “climate disruption” when the other adjectives didn’t? Sleep well… it ain’t gonna happen until people start dying.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 19, 2010 at 8:19 am #

      Well it does seem to have you all fired up. And that was not your point at all. Not even close!

      • Rob N. Hood September 21, 2010 at 8:00 am #

        So you’re telling me what my point is now? Re-read the above, or just continue on your merry way of projection and denial and self-aggrandizement.

        If the Great Conveyor Belt, which includes the Gulf Stream, were to stop flowing today, the result would be sudden and dramatic. Winter would set in for the eastern half of North America and all of Europe and Siberia, and never go away. Within three years, those regions would become uninhabitable and nearly two billion humans would starve, freeze to death, or have to relocate. Civilization as we know it probably couldn’t withstand the impact of such a crushing blow.

        And, incredibly, the Great Conveyor Belt has hesitated a few times in the past decade. As William H. Calvin points out in one of the best books available on this topic (“A Brain For All Seasons: human evolution & abrupt climate change”): “.the abrupt cooling in the last warm period shows that a flip can occur in situations much like the present one. What could possibly halt the salt-conveyor belt that brings tropical heat so much farther north and limits the formation of ice sheets? Oceanographers are busy studying present-day failures of annual flushing, which give some perspective on the catastrophic failures of the past. “In the Labrador Sea, flushing failed during the 1970s, was strong again by 1990, and is now declining. In the Greenland Sea over the 1980s salt sinking declined by 80 percent. Obviously, local failures can occur without catastrophe – it’s a question of how often and how widespread the failures are – but the present state of decline is not very reassuring.”

        Most scientists involved in research on this topic agree that the culprit is global warming, melting the icebergs on Greenland and the Arctic icepack and thus flushing cold, fresh water down into the Greenland Sea from the north. When a critical threshold is reached, the climate will suddenly switch to an ice age that could last minimally 700 or so years, and maximally over 100,000 years.

        And when might that threshold be reached? Nobody knows – the action of the Great Conveyor Belt in defining ice ages was discovered only in the last decade. Preliminary computer models and scientists willing to speculate suggest the switch could flip as early as next year, or it may be generations from now. It may be wobbling right now, producing the extremes of weather we’ve seen in the past few years.

        What’s almost certain is that if nothing is done about global warming, it will happen sooner rather than later.

        • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 21, 2010 at 9:16 pm #

          Rob, you are being a little derisory. First of all, this was started by an alarm warning from none other than James Hansen, claiming the melt off from the Arctic ice sheets were going to melt and flood the North Atlantic with cold freshwater that would have the effect of shutting down the thermohaline circulation in that region. This is a viable THEORY, but as of yet there is no credible evidence that it is actually going to happen.
          Second, look at the wording of the beginning of your post: “IF the Great Conveyor Belt, which includes the Gulf Stream, WERE TO STOP flowing today, the result WOULD BE sudden and dramatic.” This is the very definition of junk science!!! “If”, “might”, “could”, “may”, “were to”, “would be”, these are the key words that mean it’s just speculation!!! It’s entire design is to scare the hell out of you. Frieghten you, and obstensively me, into going along with whatever they claim is going to fix this supposed problem. And we all know what that is. Curbing carbon emitions through legislation like, ummmm, cap and trade.
          Third, and most important of all: THERE IS NO WAY IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CO2, A TRACE GAS IN OUR ATMOSPHERE WHO’S HUMAN CONTRIBUTION IS LESS THAN ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT, WHO’S TOTAL VOLUME IN THE ATMOSPHERE IS LESS THAN ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL VOLUME IS GOING TO CAUSE THIS TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 19, 2010 at 8:21 am #

    Here is some more foolishness from Dr. Holder http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75388 I believe he is completely insane.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 19, 2010 at 11:19 am #

      Sorry, it’s Holdren, not Holder.

  8. Hal Groar September 19, 2010 at 8:46 pm #

    I personally will not believe it! Even if someone dies! They have been blaming deaths on global warming for years and the proof offered has been laughable! It is all a lie. I know Robbie, it is a complex system that they can’t predict except they know it is going to kill the planet, even though they have no credible evidence. Let’s agree to wait this whole “climate disruption” thingy out for…say…75 years and then take another look. No huge tax increase, no new government bureau’s, just sitting back and taking notes. Then in 75 years we’ll have a get together at my lake place and decide how wrong you are!

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 19, 2010 at 9:12 pm #

      People die every day….. the climate is constantly changing………. CO2 causes both now I guess?????????????

  9. Hal Groar September 20, 2010 at 9:08 pm #

    Yes Neil! Disrupting the climate is serious business. It can cause paint to peel, wear the varnish off old porch furniture and yes, it causes death. Just last year four people were found dead in their mini-van after launching it into the side of a cliff at a high rate of speed. The sheriff found only one clue as to why. It was four tickets to a “Save the Earth” concert hosted by Al Gore and featured Bono as an artist performing. These poor souls were killed by the disruption. Tragic loss, entirely preventable if we would only collapse the worlds economies and forgo lights and heat. Simple price to pay for preventing similar deaths.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 20, 2010 at 9:41 pm #

      Indeed! Just think, if they had been riding bicycles this tragedy could have been averted alltogether. Are you sure they didn’t go over a cliff? You know, as in a lemming like fasion? Into a cliff you say? Hmmmmm.

  10. Rob N. Hood September 21, 2010 at 9:37 am #

    Everyone’s a comedian these days, or thinks they are. Keep your day jobs guys.

    As with Dickens’ England, the U.S. has been transforming itself into a kind of debtors’ prisonhouse, and the jailers have been jangling the keys mighty loudly these past two years. As of this writing, more Americans now live in poverty in the Land of the Free than there are Spaniards living in Spain.

    Our “free-market” economy works out something like this: You’ve got 100 people and five boxes of hot, delicious pizza (and that’s all you’ve got to eat!). The first person–or the top-dog–gets 2 boxes to him/her/itself. The next 19 people get another 2 boxes to share. The “bottom” 80 peasants get 1 box to drool over.

    This is what they call a metaphor or analogy. So please forego the unlaughable jokes. It is based on fact i.e. numbers and math.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 21, 2010 at 9:32 pm #

      That is a great analogy for socialism.
      Here is one for capitalism.

      You got 5 pizzas and and 100 people. You sell the 5 pizzas to the first 5 people for $15.00 each which makes you $75.00. With that $75.00 you buy more stuff to make 20 more pizzas, and sell those to the next 20 people for $15.00 each, which makes you $300.00, with that $300.00, you buy more stuff to make pizzas, hire a kid to help you, put a little away for the rent, gas bill, light bill, taxes, ect. Pretty soon you’ll have fed them all, and even given some of them gainful employment.

  11. Hal Groar September 21, 2010 at 8:48 pm #

    What kind of pizza? Delicious to me is different then delicious to you. Did the guy who gets the first two boxes (er..top dog?!) actually buy the pizza? Did he own the pizzeria? If that’s the case the other 99 people should thank him! Please tell me where this metaphor originated. I do not agree with it, they are saying there is only so much “pizza” to go around. I think if a guy wants, he can go make his own pizza. In other words, nothing is stopping the other 99 from going out and getting a job and buying some pizza!

  12. Rob N. Hood September 22, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    Thanks for putting me straight. Too bad you have to ridicule and obfuscate. The analogy is based upon fact (actual numbers and percentages that describe life in the USA). Instead of being disturbed by it, you embrace it, apparenlty, as a good thing and soemthing to be proud of. And so no- it doesn’t exactly describe socialism unless you are saying America is entirely socialist at this point in time. It isn’t so that makes your comments very superficial. Your defense of the indefensible is par for the course.

    Here’s something else for you to defend:

    “Voter caging” is a means of voter suppression and intimidation that involves sending mail to a list of voters, compiling a list of mail pieces returned as undeliverable, and then challenging those voters at the polls or otherwise attempting to remove them from the voter rolls. The mere process of challenging voters can intimidate from voting even if they are eligible, cause long lines to form at polling places that will then discourage others from voting, and may result in eligible voters casting provisional ballots which stand a high likelihood of not being counted in the final tally.

    In the alleged conspiracy uncovered in Wisconsin, Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity, whose Wisconsin state chair was previously banned from politics in Wisconsin for three years, would finance a test mailing and other costs associated with compiling the caging list and then coordinate with the Wisconsin Republican Party to undertake an elaborate process to remove voters from the rolls ahead of the election, if possible, or at the polls on Election Day. Tea party groups were to provide the volunteer labor and cover for the activity — with all participants signing an extensive non-disclosure agreement under which they agreed to publicly operate in the name of Wisconsin GrandSons for Liberty, who would also provide some funding for the plan. The Wisconsin GOP would also provide additional funds, trainers for the tea party volunteers and would have a team of lawyers “standing by” on Election Day to respond to tea party volunteers and “bring the police” if necessary. As is typically the case in voter caging operations, the plotters appeared intent on targeting minorities, students, and others from heavily-Democratic areas of the state.

    • Dan McGrath September 22, 2010 at 11:47 am #

      Gee… Suppressing ineligible and fraudulent voters and using lawyers and police to enforce election laws – what a dastardly consipracy!

  13. Rob N. Hood September 22, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    U missed it by…. that much. Nice try to gloss over a serious and real problem. If you are truly libertarian you’d be on the side of freedom/rights no matter who it invloved. Guess you are just another flakey fair-weather libertarian. Dime a dozen you people.

  14. Hal Groar September 22, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    I am trying to see where your going with this Robbie, so it is your opinion you have the right to lie about your residence? To be questioned about it is a violation of your rights or is “voter intimidation”? I think the serious problem is too many people have gotton away with it for too long. Dan will be glad to give you examples. Does it surprise anyone that most of the illeagle voting occurs in heavily democratic areas? I would encourage the Democrat’s to do the same thing if I didn’t think they would take it WAY TOO FAR!

    I am kind of hungry…anyone up for pizza?

  15. Rob N. Hood September 22, 2010 at 3:32 pm #

    Once again a faux libertaian feigns confusion rather than deal with an issue honestly.

    Where did you hear/read/otherwise ingest the idea that “most illegal voting occurs in heavily democratic areas”?

    I can see this is a sensitive area for you “libertarians.” It’s amazing the number of issues the actual perpetrator of said crime/immoral activity avoids scrutiny by accusing his opponents of the exact same thing. NOW THAT IS A GOOD PSYCHOLOGICAL TRICK. Also an oldy but a goody. No doubt identified as such by the CIA, or maybe it was our old freinds the Nazis. Probably dates back even further than that…

  16. Rob N. Hood September 22, 2010 at 3:50 pm #

    I am of course referring to the Republicans (actual perpetrators) coming out every four years (now two) to shout from the hilltops that there is VOTER FRAUD out in the hinterland, but of course only in those areas populated by those pesky poor brown-skinned people…

    And the FACT is that no investigation has uncovered anything like what is said being done by these feindish democrats. HOWEVER there is/has been evidence of dirty tricks like the one described above among many others by the Repubs going way back to our good friend and enemy Richard Nixon. But since it is the wealthy elite (i.e. Republican) that run the show (in more ways than one) then these repeated violations of one of the most basic rights America is supposed to cherish and want to defend to the death for gets trashed at the most convenient times. Then these Satan’s Little Helpers fade back into the woodwork until the next election cycle rolls around. And what better way to point the finger the other way than to accuse your enemy of that which you yourself are guilty?? Shakespearean even… And, no, I am not doing that. Where in the media has anyone seen or heard anything like the trashing of ACORN that has its counterpart in the conservative world. No where that’s where… Not only that but ACORN was ultimiately found innocent of those stupid and ridiculous charges. It went under due to the lack of donations in the wake of its attacks by the vast right-wing elite propaganda machine.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 22, 2010 at 7:11 pm #

      So, none of this actually happened?

      AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
      CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
      2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
      CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.
      FL 2009 In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.
      2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state’s Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
      2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.
      IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.
      MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a “sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications” from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney’s office for investigation.
      2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
      MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
      2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
      2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
      2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
      MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.
      NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
      2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.
      NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
      2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
      2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
      NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.
      2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN’s Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.
      OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
      2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
      2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
      PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.
      2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found “clearly fraudulent” signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
      2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
      2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.
      TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
      2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.
      VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

      In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. “Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia.”
      WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
      WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
      2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

      • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 22, 2010 at 7:13 pm #

        Sorry Dan, that was longer than it looked when I copied it.

      • Gerry September 23, 2010 at 9:10 am #

        Why is it that the “news” websites that you reference are all “BOb’s News Channel” [and has a donate page?!?] and if you click on the parent site’s link, there is a huge banner about how 60 minutes works for the Obama left.
        Hardly an impartial news source. Anyone can make a one sided GerrysNews.com and say whatever they want or feel or spin legitimate statements.
        I don’t think http://www.ROTTENACORN.com seems to be impartial either for that matter.

        I respect your opinions and like the [usually friendly] banter, but as a neutral party that reads the article expecting an unbiased news report…Please consider your sources when citing.

        • Dan McGrath September 23, 2010 at 12:56 pm #

          GlobalClimateScam.com doesn’t pretend to be impartial. We have a point of view: Global Warming and it’s proposed ‘solutions’ are a scam. We post articles from reputable sources that expose the lies, or inform readers on the arguments. The MSM already blasts the airwaves 24-7 with global warming scaremongering and agitprop. We help get out the “other” side of the global warming story.

  17. Hal Groar September 22, 2010 at 9:47 pm #

    Neil, all those don’t count because Rob doesn’t like to admit he is full of…it. Rob, I read your post and extracted that the fraud was being committed in heavily Democratic areas because that is where the focus was. Yeah, I took a little license too.

  18. NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 23, 2010 at 12:09 am #

    Rob seems to think that the instances of Republican voter fraud are constituted of things like certain types of voter intimidation, oh, you know, like wanting to see an ID so you can make sure the person voting is registered, and eligible to vote. Making sure that the registration rolls are purged of, like, dead people, people who have relocated, and convicted felons.
    Rob can jump up and down all day long and point the finger at Republican cases of voter fraud. And I’m not saying it never happens because people are people, and we all make mistakes, and poor choices from time to time. But I bet (and Rob doesn’t point to any specific cases) that the vast majority of cases against Republicans are the kinds of things that I described above, mostly mistakes. But ACORN? That is just blatant disregard for the rules, and ACORN is not a Republican organization.
    Am I saying it doesn’t happen on the Republican side? No I am not. Of course there are going to be people who think that’s what they should do, and I think those people are wrong. No matter what side of the divide you come down on. But to think that it’s all the other side and none on your own? That is ridiculous.

  19. Rob N. Hood September 23, 2010 at 7:07 am #

    Blatant disregard for what rules? What did they do wrong? Why did they fold? It wasn’t by accident. They were targeted and taken down by smart powerful people who aren’t true Americans, just true crooks. All ACORN was doing was getting poor people registered to vote. And you think “caging” (a fraud that even has a name and so hardly a “mistake” or human error) is an isolated incident? Or that Dems are guilty of it too? Not on your life- if they were it would be headline news.

    All of the above (only a small amount of actual findings of wrong-doing) pales in comparison with that of the myriad ways the Right suppresses or steals elections, not the least of which is the electronic machines that are owned and operated by Rightys. And the “Brooks Bros. riot” in 2000? Stopped the vote count in Florida, helped change the outcome of that completely. Only the rich and powerful can get away with crimes like that.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 23, 2010 at 10:15 am #

      Now who is defending the indefensable? When I say rules, I mean election laws.

  20. Rob N. Hood September 24, 2010 at 1:50 pm #

    Uh huh. And yet they weren’t found guilty of very many actual law-breaking. But they sure have been investigated intensively. But they are no more, another casualty of the culture war going on this country. As the (American) pie shrinks the crooks and liarsare becoming even more bold and desperate to maintain their over-bloated share of it.

    If elected, Republicans promise to privatize Social Security; cut back Medicare, oppose more jobs programs; raise costs for student loans; cut protections for credit card holders so banks can raise your rates; attack consumer protections for mortgage holders; defend Wall Street bonuses for bailed-out banks; oppose efforts to cut back outsourcing of U.S. jobs; support more tax cuts for the most wealthy; use taxpayer money to hire partisan Republican Congressional staff to turn the House of Representatives into a subpoena-churning partisan political operation; and bring their K Street project to seek special interest campaign money, this time in secret.

    Yeah, Republicans sure do have a new Contract on America. They won’ tell you what it really is. But I just did.

    For every assertion I make above, there are Republican legislative proposals, policy papers aimed at their right wing base or statements of high-level Republicans.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 24, 2010 at 11:15 pm #

      I don’t know why you see this site as a place to vent you leftist viewpoint. Time and time again you steer the conversation away from the topic. If I want to find out the things that you are talking about I only have to tune into CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, so on and so forth. I hear it droned on and on from the main stream media. Blah blah blah. It has nothing to do with the global warming, er, climate change, um, er, climate disruption.

  21. Rob N. Hood September 27, 2010 at 7:02 am #

    Don’t you worry, because yes I am always worried about the extreme destructive agenda of the right-wing.

    • NEIL F. AGWD/BSD September 27, 2010 at 8:18 pm #

      I’m not worried at all!!!!! Not in the least. You call it destructive? I agree. We need to destroy the progressive left wing agenda, and this November we will begin said destruction. I get goose-pimpley just thinking about it.

  22. paul wenum September 27, 2010 at 10:41 pm #

    There is no real right wing or left wing agenda other than the American voter that wants things to drastically change to get us back on course, families together, jobs created, housing to stabilize, markets to recover and our future brighter than today. Who will change it? I don’t know nor do either of you. Strongly suggest that everyone vote their convictions come November and let your candidate whomever they may be, take this beautiful country we live in on the right course. We can then spew our alleged educated thoughts thereafter, good, bad or indifferent. If you don’t vote, never ever complain again. Make sure you VOTE come November 2, 2010. Enough said!

  23. Rob N. Hood September 28, 2010 at 7:02 am #

    Paul- tell me when do you think this country got off on the wrong course? Was it inaugaration day 2008/9?

  24. paul wenum September 28, 2010 at 6:55 pm #

    Depends on what course you have taken and the course our elected are about to take be they Democrats or Republican, et al. No date certain.

    • Rob N. Hood September 30, 2010 at 11:52 am #

      That response makes absolutely no sense. Way to chicken out on the question.

  25. Hal Groar September 28, 2010 at 8:46 pm #

    Hey Paul! I disagree with you on the Left/Right wing agenda’s. I believe the right wing is more concerned with getting things back to where they should be, families, jobs the economy etc…I believe the left is more concerned with the green agenda, larger government and more control over the individual and their money. These two agenda’s are vastly different and frankly I think one side is a bit “scary”. I think the repub’s are on double secret probation and the dems are on their way out. I am skittish to vote repub but know I can’t support a dem. TEA PARTY here I come!

  26. paul wenum September 28, 2010 at 9:32 pm #

    Hal, It’s your choice. Simply vote your conscience. That’s all anyone can do. Then your conscience is clean and not demeaned by anyone but you. Do what you believe is right with no input or pressure by others.

  27. paul wenum September 28, 2010 at 11:02 pm #

    Hal, Democrats, Republicans, etc. are all concerned and want to do the best they can in our best interests as well as the country. Do they always agree? No! It has always been that way and should continue to be. If not, we have a major problem. (I hate Lemmings) Now the question is, “Who do you want to oversee the Republic for the coming years?” Your choice. Suggest you investigate/fly speck your candidates and what they stand for,and then vote and then walk out proud, similar to the “Purple finger” in Iraq. At least they put their lives on the line and so far, we haven’t. Thank God! Go vote on the 2nd of November and as I taught my daughters, “never tell me who you voted for as longer as you voted.” Take care.

  28. Rob N. Hood October 1, 2010 at 9:10 am #

    We are stuck with a corporate/militaristic foreign policy. We pursue global military dominance as our tattered social safety nets fail to relieve the desperate conditions millions of our citizens must now endure. We are stuck with an unworkable capitalist model. But the tiny percentage of the ultra-wealthy who control our media and our government like it this way. They’re doing better despite the widespread suffering. To consider another economic system is Unimaginable! UnAmerican! Our dysfunctional “freedom from government” is tops in the world. No?

    Nobody – rich or poor – wants to pay taxes so public services are deteriorating and disappearing. Our roads are bad. Our schools are worse. Our libraries and police departments are underfunded. There have been significant lay-offs in these and other professions. Schools and libraries are shortening their hours, even to the point of being closed an extra day or two a week. College is becoming so expensive it is getting to be available only for the wealthy. Everyone is expected to work harder, sometimes without even the standard pay increases. Americans are not keeping up with the normal cost of living increases, and have not for decades. So you can continue blindly following the directives and subsequent mind-set of the extremely wealthy mouth-pieces for the elite, or you can think for yourself, logically and rationally.

  29. paul wenum October 1, 2010 at 8:59 pm #

    Then vote your convictions, or run for office? Talk is cheap.

  30. Rob N. Hood October 2, 2010 at 9:58 am #

    If “talk” is so cheap why do you partake of it so much? Lack of anything meaningful to add or say, so go to the old-curmudgon-playbook of retorts?

  31. paul wenum October 3, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    “Unworkable capitalistic model?” Just where have you been?

  32. Rob N. Hood October 4, 2010 at 8:29 am #

    So even though the current “model” that you defend imploded and will cause the next generation, including this one, to pay for the criminal “mistakes” made by the corporate elite, you still adhere to the idea that what we are living with is a “workable model” of capitalism?? Really?? And you have the audacity to say others aren’t informed and educated? Wow.

    Not to mention the Savings and Loan swindle, that should have made the next implosion impossible, however, the elite make money off these things either way. Only this time it was such a huge crime it almost caused a global depression the likes of which could only have been matched by the first great depression. Don’t you get it? It’s a win-win criminal enterprise for the elite and people like you are naive enough to actually DEFEND it. Amazing- the cradle to grave propaganda pays off big time, for them!

  33. Rob N. Hood October 4, 2010 at 3:49 pm #

    The degree of criminality involved in this massive fraud is, just like the degree of criminality involved in Wall Street’s sale of $600 trillion in counterfeit securities, simply staggering.

    That massive criminality is what made the bailouts so necessary. Those criminal banks (Goldman Sachs, J P Morgan, Citigroup, B of A, etc) are all bankrupt. But if they were to have to go into bankruptcy court and testify, the degree of their massive criminality would become publicly apparent, along with the criminal involvements of congressional leaders like Dodd, Schumer, Frank, and pretty much all the Republicans.

    By putting all successive generations of American taxpayers into perpetual indebtedness, the criminal banks were given trillions of dollars to use in concealing their insolvency.

    But because it was not enough, and despite Obama’s publicly stated promise that “there will be no more bailouts,” there will be more bailouts. They are in the works now, and will probably be ladled out within another six months at the longest.

    If the American people had the foggiest idea what is really going on here, they’d be lugging pitchforks and torches toward Wall Street right now. The blade would be readied, and the tumbrels would be loaded and rolling.

    But unfortunately, the American people don’t know, and haven’t the time nor the energy to do the work necessary to become educated on this absolutely crucial subject.

    In short, what’s happening now is this; the financial and political elites know that the US economy is doomed, and that it’s on track toward utter collapse within a few months, or at most a year or two. They’re frantically wringing the last few drops of prosperity out of the corpse of the working class, so that they can save themselves from having to participate in the agony that they deliberately created for the rest of us.

  34. paul wenum October 4, 2010 at 8:47 pm #

    It all began with the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. Check it out before you blast everyone in ear shot. That was the beginning of Fannie & Freddie. Enough said.

  35. Rob N. Hood October 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm #

    Riiiight. That was the problem… zzzzzzz

    Look out, they’re angry. Foaming-at-the-mouth angry. And they’re lashing out, saying they won’t take it anymore. As one of their leaders angrily cried, “It’s a war.” Indeed – they’re on the move to take their country back. Forget the Tea Party rowdies, this is the Champagne Party! More precisely, it’s the Dom Pérignon-$1000-a-Bottle-Champagne-Party, propelled by – get this – billionaire’s rage. Yes, some of the richest, most pampered people on the planet – people who literally wallow in luxury every day, with never a concern about losing a job, a home, health care, or getting their kids into college – these people are wailing in self-pity. They are Wall Street hedge-fund operators, which essentially means they are high-flying financial flimflammers. What has stoked them into an elitist fury is an Obama proposal to close off a ridiculous tax loophole that has let them pay only 15 percent of their lavish income in taxes, rather than the 35-percent rate that us commoners pay.

  36. paul wenum October 5, 2010 at 10:09 pm #

    No. It is reality. People are angry for being lied to such as no increase in costs for health care, no tax increase, student loans no longer through the bank must go through the government, filing 1099’s on transactions over $600.00 in a “healthcare bill?.” That’s right. The bill nobody read and would read after passed? Correct. People are angry and sick and tired of what is happening in Washington. Oh, I forgot. Simply tax the rich. That will be the solution. The general public is finally waking up to what they elected since 2006. What goes around comes around. Never forget that. My voting finger is ready and I can hardly wait like others that are as ticked off as I. As to the “Rich” I sense that you envy their success?? It never ceases to amaze me when people get mad because someone became successful. I assume that you want to retire with no debt and a good income someday?? Am I correct, or do you wish to be a pauper? You seem to have a self fulfilling prophecy that you will continue to be in the poor house and the “rich” put you there. Correct me if I’m wrong.

  37. Rob N. Hood October 6, 2010 at 9:14 am #

    Boo Hoo. Did they or you read the Patriot Act?! Now that’s something to be worried about. I will never cease to amaze me how easily folks like you are led by nose down false trails of indignace, all the while stealing you and your kids blind. And not only that but you are so brainwashed that you go out of your way to defend the very criminals who do it do you and to all of us. Thanks- for nothing.

  38. paul wenum October 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm #

    You never answered my question. By the way, I’ve read the Act. Please address the issue at hand.

  39. Rob N. Hood October 7, 2010 at 12:50 pm #

    Which party’s policies are more in keeping with our national values? Republicans suggest that excluding the wealthiest Americans from tax cuts reflects an unpatriotic and divisive effort to foment a class war.

    But hold on. There’s a fallacy there. Mr. Obama’s plan wouldn’t actually exclude the wealthiest Americans from tax cuts. It would cut billionaires’ taxes — but only for their first $250,000 in income.

    The richest 0.1 percent of Americans (who earn an average of $8.4 million) would get an average tax cut of more than $61,000 under Mr. Obama’s proposal, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Under the Republican proposal, they would get an average tax cut of more than $370,000, the center says.

    Thus, the Republican tax cut would lead to an even more gargantuan gap between rich and poor. As Warren Buffett has said: “There’s class warfare, all right. But it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

  40. Rob N. Hood October 7, 2010 at 1:58 pm #

    Under the Republican Party’s new blueprint for America, BP will no longer be required to clean up the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the F.D.A. will not restrict the new diabetes drug Avandia just because it’s unsafe, and donors will be required to keep their contributions to political campaigns secret.

    These positions, based on recent votes in Congress, foretell how the Republicans will govern if they win in the upcoming November elections.

    Republicans would prevent the unemployed from receiving Medicaid; prevent treatment, screening or compensation for Americans who assisted during the 9/11 attacks on the WTC; eliminate extensions of unemployment insurance; allow the oil industry to write their own rules for oil exploration and clean up; open all off shore areas to oil wells; and stop funding state governments to stimulate the economy.

  41. paul wenum October 7, 2010 at 6:58 pm #

    You certainly love to cut and paste don’t you. Do you ever just speak with your own mouth? If you are unemployed for (3) years and continues to get unemployment I have a problem. No incentive to find a job. Very simple. Know people that could be working but don’t. Make too much staying at home. Now that ticks me off! Ooh well unemployment now at 10.1%, who cares any longer. May as well cash in my 401K to feed them all off the sweat off my back. Must be a “national value?”

  42. Rob N. Hood October 14, 2010 at 10:19 am #

    Making too much staying at home? Really? Don’t know about that. Never was able to do that my entire life. Must be a trick to it…

  43. paul wenum October 14, 2010 at 8:07 pm #

    It’s called gaming the system in place legally. There is no trick. No work? You still get a paycheck. Simple actually. That’s part of our problem. Entitlement society.

  44. Rob N. Hood October 15, 2010 at 9:35 am #

    Gaming the system? What does that mean? Can’t you ever be specific when it counts? Please I want to know how to live for free off of a good patriot like yourself. Then you’d have an actual bone to pick with me. You and I are very much alike actually. Only we see the solutions differently. But please- tell me how to “game the system.” I really want to know.

  45. paul wenum October 15, 2010 at 11:06 pm #

    If you don’t realize/understand what “gaming the system” means I suggest that you investigate further. I chase people that legally “game the system.” Let me know what you find out. Few simple examples, unemployment continuation, welfare fraud, food stamps sold, medical ER abuse, MN Care, Badger Care, et al. The list goes on and on. You seem like an investigative fellow aren’t you? It will be interesting what you find. Looking forward to you finding where your hard earned money goes to people that are “gaming the system.” I’m not talking about people in dire need for which I sincerely and financially support. Have friends in dire financial need. I’m talking about the “gamers.” There is a distinct difference. All I know is, you will be amazed in the abuse you will find. You have a chore ahead my friend. Let me know your findings or your caustic reply never investigating. I believe you will investigate further. Prove me wrong?

  46. Rob N. Hood October 16, 2010 at 7:41 am #

    Gosh, could it be that our government does’t spend the money needed to enforce the laws and go after cheaters? It occurs in the white collar world too, which involves much greater amounts of money which you Rightys never seem to notice or care about. It’s called deregulation and it usually is bad idea, and ends up with the tax-payers paying more than they otherwise would have if the system/program was regulated and those regulations ENFORCED.

    I don’t like cheaters any more than you do. I just know how to reduce it and you just want to trash each and every system/program you personally don’t beleive in. Who’s the anarchist??

    BTW- I am curious to know the name of your profession (not who you work for or any detail that may inconvenience you). Be brave, I’d really like ot know.

  47. paul wenum October 16, 2010 at 11:42 pm #

    Let’s just say I pursue sole proprietors, LLC’s, corporations and other entities that you despise to make them come to the table and pay their just due. I chase attorneys, politicians, manufacturers, suppliers, and over 50 other industries, nationally and internationally. My father was an FDIC Bank Examiner and it was mandatory that all the children went with him on calls on Summer vacation on banks, unannounced by the way, to check their loan portfolio’s when we were 12-15 and would review loan portfolios in the motel in the evenings with my father on why and how he rated the bank excellent, medium, sub-par etc. Unfortunately He has since passed and we miss him dearly. He was an excellent teacher on inspecting and consequences thereafter. That’s before the Community reinvestment Act of 1977 by Carter. In the 60’s Banks were accountable and thoroughly inspected by people like my father. After 1977 and the passage of the CRA when banks could not make a loan without the fear of “redlining” I noticed things changed and everyone could purchase a home even though they could not afford to purchase. That is the core of the problem we now have today. Sorry to bore you with my background growing up.

    • Dan McGrath October 17, 2010 at 5:28 am #

      Very insightful. Thanks for a peek at history I wasn’t paying attention to at the time. Understanding history is critical to understanding where we’re heading.

  48. Rob N. Hood October 17, 2010 at 7:32 am #

    So defensive… hmmmm, I asked and you finally answered. No boredom here. It’s convenient that you choose to blame our current ills on one Democrat. My view is that there are many to blame and on both sides. And that there have been many more laws passed or unpassed since 1977 that have contributed mightily to our current spot in history (and not just the bad works of Dems, mostly R’s in my opinion, but some Dems too of course). Be that as it may, to continue the one-sided blame game has, and will never, get us anywhere other than the mess we are in, to our demise.

    I believe our demise as the #1 power has already begun, and the elite are sucking us all dry, and that has been the plan for some time now. They’ve done the same to countless other countries since the advent of capitalism and will continue to do so barring a massive revolt by the sheeple. (yes, dictators have done the same too, it’s not an invention of the capitalists to do that, they just put a nicer “legal” sheen on the pillaging and stealing).

    Another question- are you self-employed? What you do sounds very interesting. You tip your hand however by admitting that you “go after” businesses and corporations who apparently are gaming the system. All of your previous posts made it seem like it was only individuals, mainly Liberals and other such low-lifes that are busy or not so busy ruining the American dream. Just an observation…

  49. paul wenum October 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm #

    What is your occupation, background etc.? You can find me on the net. I don’t hide who I am nor being “defensive.” Facts are facts no matter how they are twisted by the media, politicians as well as others. Finally, the blame isn’t on “One Man,” it is blame on the political mindset of the party in power. Very simple and I don’t have to waste five para’s of ranting cut and paste speech. I get that from CEO’s I chase.

  50. paul wenum October 17, 2010 at 9:18 pm #

    Rob, never received your response on people gaming the system question I raised. Are you still researching or is your mind set on being one sided? Let me know. I’m impatiently waiting. Give us details, not blather. You know who I am. Address the question.

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