Comments on: Copenhagen Climate Summit in Disarray after ‘Danish Text’ Leak

By: paul wenum

paul wenum — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:50:25 +0000

Detention centers/camps, Elitists? What the hell do you drink or eat. Please let us know. I will boycott both items!!!

By: Rob N. Hood

Rob N. Hood — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:28:33 +0000

I think the Elite believe in climate change and its potential for great calamity. That is a reason they are busy ripping us all off, at an even greater rate than normal. They want as much power as possible when the you know what hits the fan. Also, maybe that is why the “secret” detention centers/camps have been built, to house the trouble makers and starving hoards that will migrant into America from the North and South, etc. I personally haven’t seen said centers, so I don’t know that they actually exist.

Paul, my confused friend, capitalism created all of the recessions and the Great Depression, the stock/housing/commodity”bubbles”, and other financial crashes. Some of these have caused great hardships and even starvation. The ultra weathly actually benefit from these things- most are created purposefully. The rich cannot make the greatest amount of money without these fluctuations. It is practically common knowledge, so you and people like Dan and Neil live in a dream world, your own reality disconnected from Reality.

By: paul wenum

paul wenum — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:07:13 +0000

Wait until this passes and you will stand in line waiting for bread. I like wheat, what say you?

By: Rob N. Hood

Rob N. Hood — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:51:55 +0000

Dan, you would-be changer of history. Hitler and Mussolini may have said he and/or his movement/preference was “socialist”, but any fool knows, especially now, (that is- after the fact), that it decidedly WAS NOT. Only a fool or someone wanting to brainwash others would say otherwise. It also flies in the face of your silly statement that “all socialism leads to communism.” One could even call your attempted revisionism evil. I won’t legitmize this specific kind of insane duscussion any further.

But now for the denier good news!! I think a “told you so” is in order. Told ya not to worry so much. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The UN international climate change conference is in chaos as the G77, which represents 130 developing countries “pulled the emergency plug” suspending the talks over wealthy countries’ reluctance to discuss a legally binding emissions treaty.

Right now no mere government, or gathering of them, can seriously challenge the networked clout of globalized industry and finance.
Corporations claim human rights…and the military clout to enforce them…but no human responsibilities. Their sole mandate is to make money. Human and ecological considerations are ultimately nil.
These same corporations now deem it profitable to face the public with the best greenwashed veneer money can buy. But when push comes to shove (as it always does) corporations must and will opt for the short-term bottom line, filthy and anti-human as ever.

By: paul wenum

paul wenum — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:23:28 +0000

I believe that he was hung thereafter.

By: Dan McGrath

Dan McGrath — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:42:07 +0000

Socialism and facism went hand in hand in Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. Mussolini was a committed socialist before the advent of the facist movement. He edited a socialist newspaper. The core of his political beliefs were shaped by socialist and collectivist ideas. He believed that the only value of an individual was in their contribution to the collective state.

By: Rob N. Hood

Rob N. Hood — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:48:20 +0000

Um, sorry Tannim but you are wrong. There is nothing opposed to these two concepts being together. Conversely, for example, there cannot be socialism/communisn AND facism- these are two separate concepts that cannot occur together. In addition, you are wrong becuase that is EXACTLY what exists today and the Big corporations (and even some small ones too of course) work hard everyday, behind the scenes (lobbyists, etc) to obtain less regulations and restrictions.

What is it about that you don’t understand? De-regulation, etc. is the Holy Grail for them! And that is ALSO the Holy Grail for libertarians, right? Yes it is.

However, I agree about a true libertarian not wanting to participate in the Copenhagen thing. But, what is also reality is that corporations have a libertarian goal for THEMSELVES (their companies), not for you and me. Get it? They go all over the world, moving their operations wherever they can get the cheapest labor, the least environmental restrictions, and the least taxes, etc. NOT becuause they will go out of business otherwise- but because it makes them richer and even more powerful. Why? To buy off even more politicians and governments. Why? So they can make even more money. It is a never ending cycle that is built into capitalism And that is not then a “free-market” any more. T. Roosevelt had to break up monopolies in his day, and it’s time to do so again. But both the Dems and the Repubs are already bought and paid for by the global elite. Copenhagen is most likely a combination of well-meaning people who believe the world climate needs some kind of intervention, and the elite who are there to make sure they come out ahead in the end (like health care “reform”) or at least try and make sure their “interests” are not effected too much.

By: Tannim

Tannim — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:33:17 +0000

“corporate libertarianism”? That doesn’t even make sense, because the two are diametrically opposed to each other!

But that’s what happens when people don’t understand what libertarianism really is.

Believe you me, NOTHING coming out of Copenhagen is libertarian. Nothing at all.

The REAL libertarian position would be to walk out of Copenhagen, kick the UN out of New York, and tell the international corporatists to pound sand and that we will NOT be relinquishing our sovereignty to anyone whatsoever.

By: Rob N. Hood

Rob N. Hood — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:01:04 +0000

According to this article the big guys with all the money are going for it. They don’t even need the stinking UN, they will rule the world through corporate libertarianism. Check and mate. We are headed for a Mad Max style future, where the elite are rich, safe, and secure and the rest of us will have to fight it out for what we can get to survive (maybe not to that extreme, but something very close to it).

Now do you know what it is you need to be fighting? The Liberals? Wake up.

By: Rob N. Hood

Rob N. Hood — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:57:56 +0000

Liberals are not very aggressive. They talk about peace and do nothing to challenge our permanent war economy. They claim to support the working class, and vote for candidates that glibly defend the North American Free Trade Agreement. They insist they believe in welfare, the right to organize, universal health care and a host of other socially progressive causes, and will not risk stepping out of the mainstream to fight for them. The only talent they seem to possess is the ability to point out the hyporcrisy and moral bankruptcy of the Right.

“You have a tug of war with one side pulling,” Ralph Nader said once. “The corporate interests pull on the Democratic Party the way they pull on the Republican Party. If you are a ‘least-worst’ voter, you don’t want to disturb John Kerry on the war, so you call off the anti-war demonstrations in 2004. You don’t want to disturb Obama because McCain is worse. And every four years both parties get worse. There is no pulling from the Liberals really. That is the dilemma of The Nation and The Progressive and other similar Liberal publications. There is no breaking point apparently. What is the breaking point? The criminal war of aggression in Iraq? The useless escalation of the war in Afghanistan? Forty-five thousand people dying a year because they can’t afford health insurance? The hollowing out of communities and sending the jobs to fascist and communist regimes overseas that know how to put the workers in their place? There is no breaking point. And when there is no breaking point you do not have a moral compass.”

Once again, Ralph is right. However, it would be nice to hear him trash conservatives for awhile…

By: Rob N. Hood

Rob N. Hood — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:24:17 +0000

If this leaked info is true then much of what you deniers have feared will not occur or will not come true. You all feared that Obama would be signing over our soveriegnty (spelling) and/or giving tons of money to developing countries and/or letting the UN rule us.